2021 Travel Plans
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The leaflet that has arrived from national health England(covid vacine A guide for older adults) shows a picture of the card that is issued when first jab is given, with your next appointment and batch numberof vacine ,when both parts are completed by the vacine centre staff i would expect that to be accepted as evidence of vacination ,
There will always be those who will find a way to get a card without being vacinated (some on W.W.W will make money that way)
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AD, if you had to pay another visit to a hospital for any reason I think you’ll find that Hospitals too are very much like cruise ships re being thrown together with a lot of folk with differing attitudes to virus safety. It’s great when the hands/face/space thing can be self controlled but not so much when we have little control due to problems🤷🏻♂️🙁
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Trouble is I don't want just want to "spend time out in the open on a large pitch on a sparsely populated campsite". The places I want to go back to are further away, and completely out of reach. I love crowds. And thank goodness we went in and out of Bangkok ten times before all this madness began.
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These are our cards from two weeks ago...Vaccination Hub told us they were not putting 2nd date on as the Pfizer vaccine is delivery/storage dependant....but would be 3 to 12 weeks after date on card.....however sister's hub over the border (2 miles) has just had their first jab and second date given ....and using the Pfizer vaccine..Told different hubs using different methodology...
With no ID on the card...would be simple to copy.
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Even with all the publicity about wearing masks inside ,it doe not compute with some ,I was in the waiting area of our local Hospital clinic when OH had to have some tests done ,all appointments are vis a letter from the local NHS Trust and a note advising that masks must be worn when entering the building, i lost count of how many comming for their appointments did not wear or even have a mask with them
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I simply cannot see things returning to anything like normal for quite a while to be honest, either in UK, or overseas. All the vaccine does is protect against consequences should anyone get Covid, it doesn’t stop you getting it, or carrying it. So I can see some precautions, some considerations being required for a lot of travel for enjoyment, sadly.
Some restrictions might be self imposed, such as continuing to wear a mask in shops etc...., avoiding hugely crowded events and get togethers. Some restrictions might be based upon having the vaccine, ie, getting insurance, and actually being allowed onto flights, ships, ferries etc....No jab, no travel overseas etc....
Looking at things from a different perspective, it could even mean the the price of overseas travel includes some form of surcharge for testing, and the cost of self isolating either whilst overseas, or upon return to UK. Cost of which is refunded if all goes well. Not sure if insurance will cover this outlay🤷♀️
It’s going to be a very different travel world now, it has to be really if countries are going to get out of the cycle of wave after wave of cases, with no real controls on those entering or leaving. It’s not enough to expect folks to “do the right thing”, or to expect the Government to fund self isolation on entry/return. It needs decent organisation and management, so that travellers know what to expect. A lot will hinge on insurance coverage of course. It’s a whole lot wider than individual needs, important though they are. Half a dozen cases of some new variant, going unchecked, has the potential to shut the whole economy and country down again.1 -
I find it quite incredible that some folk are fretting about if and when they make take their LV over there. Yes treatment in Spanish hospitals I am sure is on a par with our own NHS, but no better at coping just now, so who would want to possibly be part of this problem
"Scenes from some of Spain's hospitals are an indication of the crippling pressure. Reports suggest that around 90 people with COVID-19 are waiting to be admitted to the Hospital Virgen de la Salud in Toledo. Leaked images show hallways replete with patients.
In a Sevilla hospital, the entire cancer ward was transferred to another hospital to make way for COVID-19 patients"
P,s,"Spain has administered more than 1.1 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines so far"
not great is it
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Hi, As TDA syas it may be a long, long time till things return, if they ever do, to how they were pre Covid.
For us, as many others, the first requirement will be to get the vaccine, second will be where can we actually go and with what restrictions.
There have been many mentions of travel being dependent on being vaccinated but as this only protects you I would be interested to know the reasons being given for this potential requirement.
I can see that if you are vaccinated then the risk to the medical services to the country/location/provider are reduced but i do think that many who mention vaccination being a requirement maybe don't understand what it actually does-I have been criticised on another forum for saying it did not stop you getting Covid, but rather protected you if you did.
As for insurance when I last inquired about mine, nationwide via UK Insurance, the only significant thing was that as of Jan 1st this year there is no cover if I cancel before my trip but cover is there once i am travelling.
We are hoping that we will be able to go away in May/June, but can move this with no issues at all, but for people that are still working or have school age children things will potentially be much more difficult.
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There have been many mentions of travel being dependent on being vaccinated but as this only protects you I would be interested to know the reasons being given for this potential requirement.
All is not known but many professionals believe that those infected are less likely to be re-infected as already shown by studies. The unknown is if this is likely to apply to those who gain antibodies by injection
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I look at things from the perspective not only of those who can and will have the vaccine, but also from those who for one reason or another cannot have the vaccine. The country has a certain duty of care to this element of the population as well, so keeping things inside our own country safe is important.
One thing that does strike me is that the guard against rabies, actually appears far more stringent than fetching Covid back in from overseas. 🤷♀️ It’s certainly better managed and co ordinated.
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The difference being-here they understand me & me them SL👍🏻
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Hi Easy, Oh if only it were so simple!
As someone who has been infected I feel no more able to protect others than if I had not been infected. I may have anti bodies, they may protect me but for how long?
As I said in my post, from the comments made on another forum, for example, there are people who believe that once vaccinated they cannot 'catch' Covid.
I could be wrong-as my Dad used to say "I have been wrong before-I believe it was in 1951"-but think most likely reason for requiring proof of vaccination is that that indicates you will likely be less of a burden.
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As someone who has been infected I feel no more able to protect others than if I had not been infected. I may have anti bodies, they may protect me but for how long?
There has not been enough long term studies to go beyond a long enough period that have been published. It does seem that the over a 5 or 6 month period on regularly tested groups within the NHS is that following recovery there is (over a 5 or 6 month) period a 0.66% re-infection rate.
The antibodies stay in the body over this time period but as tests continue it may show longer. There is talk about T Cells (dunno much about them) conferring immunity also, but not enough known yet
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My post was never about treatment comparisons of Spain vs UK🤷🏻♂️ It was about space around you being great when you are in control, being in a hospital in this country is not good let alone a foreign one when you are surrounded by lots of other sick people. . .Unlike on a campsite👍🏻
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Most western countries have decent medical services but they're under pressure now from Covid aren't they? I don't know how long it will take to see a reliable drop in admissions but we're nowhere near to seeing the path cleared for normal travel and other medical conditions getting normal access when needed. It will be interesting if the insurance industry feels capable of taking the risks on but that seems a long way off too. I'm sure we'll get there in the end and I hope we'll all be free to travel.
We've just been speaking to a dejected 20 + year old who is missing out on his trip to Eastern Europe. We ended up trying to add some positivity to his situation whilst hoping ourselves that we might just see something basic like the UK coast.!
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You are taking my posts far away from my intentions. I was not looking for confrontation, you are-I’m done
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Might just have to be a staycation then
, news reports this morning say the Dutch and Portugal have now banned Brits both in and out, and"The European Union is also weighing up the possibility of barring Brits from coming onto the continent"
and if Boris insists we all stay in a hotel for 10 days when we fly or sail into the UK, it wont be much fun having to leave your rig on the docks and returning later when you are free
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