Corona Virus Concerns
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One of the worries about schools going back is the virus being passed around. We're very short of teachers and things will become very difficult if we lose more through illness. I see they want to recruit retired and former teachers back to help the situation. I hope that priority is given to older students who understand social distancing etc. rather than little ones who will be confused by all the no touch rules etc
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My daughter ,had a job as a classroom assistant? for just over year minus all the school holidays
at an inner city school in Bedfordshire , she now has much admiration for the teachers, as even with her job,she admits that today's children are,it seems, so used to being able to rule their parents ,it spills over into their school time , when they are expected to be more socially proactive with their learning
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£27500 at age 22/23 is quite a reasonable starting salary, and at that point they will only have had about 4-6 months actual teaching experience, so still learning. This first year of employment is guaranteed, and further training will be given, then they have to seek a more permanent post and, if successful, will immediately move on to approaching £33000.
If they progress well they will take only another 5 years to reach the £41500 level, so age 28/29.
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H&S What a joke I worked over head for years when I 1st started then the older blokes used to work at the top of the pole not bother with the safety harness and just wrap their legs round the pole to work, and you needed both hands to work, I never had the bottle to do that, I always used the harness. Not one of these blokes fell from the pole, the only ones I knew that fell from the pole used the harness. You need to see the performance putting the modern harness on. Most climbing accidents occur leaving the ladder and that is a fact.
Now I work driving special needs children to school and have no problem if they go back to school having the one that sits on the front passenger seat of the mini bus sitting next to me.
As for sick pay usually a doctor or medical professional will deem you not fit to work, or you will self certify yourself for a week. I wouldn’t put that in the same class as refusing to work, plus you only get one week with the self certificate.0 -
And what you forget is that there is no such thing as holidays for teachers, you won't find it in the contract anywhere - fact.
Anyway there have been many studies showing that teachers work the same number of hours per year as anyone else in a full time job. It is just more concentrated.
But the good news is that teaching as a career is open to everyone. You would think if it is such a good job more people would be applying, no teacher shortage and no one leaving after their first year.
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I still don't think the salary matches the demands of the job. Before working offshore my hubby was a director of a local scaffolding company. He employed 18 year old who earned £40000 a year plus overtime. Most of them had no post-18 education but earned far more than those young teachers. It just always struck me as unfair but I'll accept that we hold different views KJ.
Ps Apologies for inadvertently turning this thread into a debate about teaching. I shall try to stick to the theme of the thread from now on😊
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"Don't tell the armed forces or police officers or NHS staff that, there will be riots and strikes....oh no, they are not allowed to!"
I do hope we're not going back to the bad old (CT) days of pitting one lot lot of public service workers against another lot, or, worse, implying that working in the public sector is a cushy number sponging off other hard working tax payers!
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Indeed, I remember his classic line, teachers claim to be ill in the holidays and take the time back in September
Happy days
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No, things haven't changed
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If social distancing is still in place when schools reopen fully they are talking about a max of 15 per classroom, this will double the amount of classrooms needed and the amount of teachers:
Here's a practical maths conundrum, rather than a political question, about the plan to reopen schools in England.
And as a spoiler - the Department for Education says it will need to issue new guidance to sort it out.
The government announced that to keep children and teachers safe there should be no more than 15 pupils per class - so in effect, every class of 30 would have to be spread over two classrooms.
This might work for the phased return of the first few year groups. But the government is also aiming, if the safety advice permits, for all primary year groups to be back in school for a month before the end of term.
The complication is that if each class is occupying two or more classrooms, how could all the year groups be back full time at the same time? There wouldn't be enough classrooms or teachers.
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Same here for my daughter. She always worked in childcare, nanny, childminder etc. then 5 years ago she went to work in a school as teaching assistant, now one to one with autistic boy. It was a shock to the system for her at how hard the teachers work, even in a primary school. Equally the work of a teaching assistant, the pay for which is abysmal and not much above the living wage. Being a TA is very much a vocation.
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how can anyone know how many of those on the beaches (Bournemouth, Brighton, wherever) didnt actually live in the area?
much of the indigenous population of these seaside areas chose to live there for that very reason, and with the reatrictions being lifted a little, could well be the majority of those in the 'sensational headline' photos.
add in the odd 'couple drove 50 miles to beach' story and you have the elevated level of vitriol that is tainting some of the posts on CT.
even if a 50 mile 'limit' were preopsed, the folk from Bournemouth, Brighton and Wherever would still be travelling to 'their' beaches and the papers would still get their picture headlines.
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I don’t think he meant you but a certain other poster.
Panic over - back to your lunch time pie 😛
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One comment. No follow up from me. I don't want to be drawn into a discussion.
I take total exception to your suggestion that farmers are featherbedded. Farming is one of the most "living in the real world" occupations there is. No not an occupation a way of life.
Moan? Of course we moan - at the weather, the government, rubbish on television even - but it's usually only a minor grumble about things we cannot change.
AND I LOVE MY LIFE!
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It simply isn’t going to happen, is it?
It's my guess that it will be business as usual come September and everyone will take their chances.
Meanwhile, for the remainder of this term, I guess some children will go to school and some won't with a clever scheme/lottery in place to decide who goes and who doesn't.
I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
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I think the future is going to be tough for all generations.
Some individuals will adapt and thrive, some will muddle along as best they can, others will need help. I think the capacity to cope with change and prioritise the important things in life will be make or break for some. Nothing can beat having good health, a roof over your head and enough to eat for you and loved ones. Achieving that through a chosen career or vocation, carried out for good remuneration and in safety, with a degree of progression and support, is what most folks strive towards. Everything beyond that is a huge bonus really.
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Totally agree Goldie. Farming is a way of life, and possibly tops the list in terms of having to cope with about as many different scenarios as you could possibly encounter. Good times and bad times, every single week, month, year.
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hi my wife is a teacher in a deprived area of london she goes into school twice a week and does google glassroom every day her school will reopen but then the google classroom will close down and as it is not compulsory to send the children back she knows the children in need wont be in so she wont be able to check on them
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It’s special HD, because you have to learn about humans. How they grow and develop, physically and mentally. How they learn, how they interact, what motivates and demotivates them. Look out for abnormal development and try to help as early as possible, try to fit square pegs into round holes, how to protect and nurture those who come from seriously dysfunctional homes, how to spot physical and mental abuse, how to get children to strive that little bit further. And that just touching the surface. Factor in the violent parents, the pushy parents, all the different languages present in a class nowadays. And then of course it helps if you know a good bit about the subject you teach, and three or four others, so that you can offer cover. Thinking of going for promotion? That takes financial management skills, people managing skills, the ability to hit the endless Ofstead targets.
I trained as a PE teacher. Good teachers are born, it’s a vocation. I didn’t teach in schools though. Not paid enough. 🙂
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Special? Of course the job is special. Where would any of us be without a decent education? I could not have done my job without a good grasp of at least English and maths and I doubt you’d have been able to run your shop without the same.
I see no one here seeking a pat on the back or complaining, only others showing their appreciation for teachers' worth. You and your pie mate excepted, obviously.
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