Corona Virus Concerns
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Children and young people do learn at different stages, for quite a few, they blossom after school. That’s a lot of schools in four years though, no time to settle anywhere really.
I loved school, right from infants up to 6th Form, absolutely loved it, very lucky really to have nice schools, strict but fair, not overly large as well. I went to an all girls high school, only 500 pupils in whole school, and it was a brilliant place if you like sport. Loathed 6th Form, snooty tutors, little trust of their pupils most of them. Thankfully it had a superb Sports staff, and I endured the two years, got the A Levels I needed and then went to PECollege. And ended up running Sports Centres and Swimming Pools😂
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Yesterday's report from ITV West and I'm currently watching tonight's report on the situation at Weston-super-Mare - wish you were there? I think not!
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The was the problem with the 11 plus, and the 'failure' that it brought on which not only haunted people (not saying you) but took their lives on a different course when they could, like you, have been perfectly capable of a grammar school education and higher education.
People thought that the 11+ was an indicator of intelligence which was largely incorrect. What the 11+ did was rank everyone who took it in order, everyone could have got a very high mark, all over 80% for example but only the number that could be accommodated in the grammar school would 'pass' leaving highly intelligent people branded as failures.
Like you PE teachers in my day were just like that too. If you couldn't do anything you were ridiculed. This has changed nowadays.
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Our village school was allowed just 1 pass each year. I passed and the following year my brother failed. Our lives have diverged considerably since then. I consider I was very fortunate and have had a relatively comfortable life, but the unfairness of that system still rankles all these (50+) years later.
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i think husky dog protests to loaudly maybe he wanted to be a teacher
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The 11+ had nothing to do with IQ. It did not recognise the existance of multiple intelligences and only focused on the maintenance of the classic grammar school system and redbrick universities. It was a means of maintaining the social elite.
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Leaving school at 15 then immediately into an apprenticeship,it did me more good by learning "life skills" and having access to promotions untill running the department that controlled the rolling stock for the Suburban services out of Kings Cross and Moorgate ,and Had people from all over the UK and several other countries in europe,and even Hong Kong to see how it should be carried out ,and the Depot and I have still got the leteers and "gifts"from the various administrations ,when they took our method home and found it really did work,
Then i started getting "graduates?" parachuted into senior posts, on the run up to "privatisation", and we "through the ranks" managers ,were seeing how lack of common sense was coming with the graduates
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no, i didnt see, nor was particularly interested in, the sort of headline making stories that folk love to relate on CT...so cant comment on the MH situation....
other than to say that travelling to a beach in the MH and bringing your kitchen and loo with you (rather than relying on the non existent local facilities) seems eminently sensible.
in my earlier post i was just commenting on the fact that not all folk pictured on a beach (any uk beach) would have driven from the other end of the country.
why would they, when they probably have one fairly close by.
the touted 'stay in your own county' theory would make no difference to those living within that (50-100 mile) area....they would just go to that 'local' beach, but are you saying that is wrong....that unless you live within sight of that beach you should stay away?
fortunately, things dont work like this (unless you're in Fisherman's county). as it currently stands, folk are allowed to move around the country arent they?
...and, with (eg) London new cases at zero yesterday and just 4 the day before, perhaps they'd be moving from a 'low infection rate' area rather than the high levels most seem to think all cities are.
and nor does/would your family history (wonderful as it sounds) be a contributing factor to me (or most folk) wishing to buy a (1st/2nd) property in your area....
wouldn't they weigh up the advantages and disadvantages of facilities, location, even view, and weigh them up alongside value for money?
of course, they'd also have to weigh up the 'locals' welcoming attitude so perhaps they'd not bother.
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"It was a means of maintaining the social elite."
I don’t agree with that, Micky. It was a way of maintaining the existing system which was considered the norm back then. Elitism / class / snobbery didn’t come into it. Children from various backgrounds passed and failed the 11+ so there were no guarantees of anyone achieving the status of being the 'social elite' of the future.
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"no, i didnt see, nor was particularly interested in, the sort of headline making stories that folk love to relate on CT...so cant comment on the MH situation...."
It’s a shame you missed it, BB, or you’d have seen the MHs parked up for the night in the streets of Newquay.
And you wonder at the lack of welcoming attitude. 🤷🏻♂️
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Oh yes it did, the elite went to Private Schools and they in turn provided the red brick universities with their students, sometimes regardless of ability. Very few students were 'allowed' from local grammar schools with comparable grades were accepted into these universities in comparison, it was an elite system!
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Maybe if folk did see the news reports and hear the views of local mayors, police and residents they'd be able to make a more informed judgement of the situation? The reports on ITV local news last night and tonight should be enough to convince even the most committed doubters.
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That's a slightly different argument micky. You are right that relatively few children from state grammar schools made it to the top universities, but it was the 11+ which decided who went to grammar schools. Many of those attending private schools by passed even that hurdle. Money talked loud in those days - it still does to some extent but fortunately the playing field has been considerably levelled over the past few years.
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Those who passed the 11+ generally went on to secondary education in Grammar Schools, not private schools! The elite may have gone to private schools but that has little to do with ordinary folk passing or failing the 11+.
I don’t think you mean red brick universities either. Surely you meant the 'elite' went to Oxbridge?
Seems to me you’re a bit confused, Micky.
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Where I lived we took the 11+ and then went to new comprehensive schools, bar three, two went to grammar schools and one to a secondary modern. That person did best of all! We were part of a social experiment to "equalise" us. I think it worked.
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yes, in private schools your parents paid and everyone did pretty much what the pupils in the Grammar school did regardless of ability and did pretty well too.
Even in those days universities looked on grades for admission based on your GCE's as they were then, even for Oxbridge..
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...but my point wasnt about those MHers.....i didnt see the report so couldnt comment.
overnighting isnt allowed for the moment, so i agree they are (currently) in the wrong.
by the same token, my point WAS about folk not being able to state categorically that the throngs on beaches were exclusively from 'out of the area'...
but that didnt stop folk commenting on something they couldnt be sure about.
anyone visiting a beach and socially distancing shouldnt be villified.
also, some small groups of two or three may be from the same household and long range photos can easily reduce the depth of field making things look a lot worse than they might be.
perhaps im a 'committed doubter' or someone that doesnt seek to condemn at every opportunity.
either way, you carry on doing your bit, as i do, and we'll all see the other side....
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'of course, they'd also have to weigh up the 'locals' welcoming attitude so perhaps they'd not bother.'
at this moment in time GOOD
I don't agree with you at all and the physical evidence is there for all to see , yes travel with your own loo etc but you are not allowed to stay overnight especially in front of other peoples houses.
so if all these people are locals, why are all the roads in nose to tail traffic jams?
I think you need to wake up to what is going on around you and not suffer the tunnel vision you seem to have.
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Tbh, BB, your first post wandered around at great length and the waters became rather muddied.
Oh well, roll on the other side.
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My point was that in those days every one knew their place, not that they could do very much about it and the 11+ was part of that, it was particularly difficult, not imposible mind, then to progress up the social ladder and the classic subjects were the dominant ones in the intellectual higher-achy. It was who your family knew, not what they knew. To some degree 'it' still exists!
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Like you PE teachers in my day were just like that too. If you couldn't do anything you were ridiculed. This has changed nowadays.
We had one like that at the boys secondary I ended up going to. If you weren't any good at PE, rugby, football etc he wasn't interested. I think my report from him was normally E- could try better. However, a couple of other teachers organised D of E, potholing and climbing. A team of 6 of us even did the Ten Tors one year. I was good at all of it. However, it didn't feature on any school report and certainly wasn't taken into consideration by the PE teacher.
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Place? I don’t recall ever thinking that I knew my place. Sorry, Micky, but you seem way out of touch with the way things were for ordinary folk. You're even starting to sound as if you've got a huge chip on your shoulder.
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Sounds like my school was. State Grammar school and loads of the teachers were useless.... some couldn't have taught their way out of a wet paper bag. One of the metal work teachers, known by everyone from 1st year to the head as BD, was also the career and was great, but he'd not always been a teacher, he'd had a 'proper' job 1st,🙄 likewise another metalwork teacher. Maybe that was part of the difference between a good teacher & a bad one.
Coincidentally, one of our PE teachers was another Brian Glover wanna be. 20 yrs later when he taught my son, I had the opportunity to tell him what I thought of him. He agreed with me though as at the time he taught me, he thought that being a b'stard was the way to go.
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