Corona Virus Concerns

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  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #2162

    Have i complained? just pointed out nothing was "expected" from society as it seems (before this year) that was the norm today

    Ps Kensington Jan 1943

  • SteveL
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    edited May 2020 #2163

    I think the difference is JVB, is the violent jolt from what was normal. I was born into the post war environment, it was all perfectly normal.

  • no one
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    edited May 2020 #2165

    'making up for how underpaid they are the rest of the time'

    I just choked on my coffee...thanks

  • young thomas
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    edited May 2020 #2166

    "Everyone (especially the press) suddenly has a first class honours degree specialising in hindsight, epidemiology and lockdowns."

    and everyone in this thread, it would now seem....undecided

    in just a day this has returned to the 'who can we bash' thread....

    London reports no new cases yet we still have posts suggesting London (like everywhere else, apparently) is heading for a second spike despite the look of the numbers in the reported areas....cases, transport use, deaths, admissions, etc...

    lets just take the data as it comes, follow the advice and the progress and stay safe.

    look closely at those 'basket cases' of Spain and Italy (how quick the CT experts pilloried them) and check out their latest progress graphs...its at least something for us to look forward to.

    its been a hard road but they are now seeing some well deserved respite.

  • no one
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    And all us yokals who have locked ourselves away to protect our communities. will remain locked away as the hoards of people who think this is all over because the R rate in their area is going down abuse the so called ease (end) of lockdown.

    How long will we now have to stay away from our own towns beaches and forests to protect ourselves as we live with the ignorance and stupidity of others. 470 acres of Wareham forest burnt down this week killing innumerable amounts of rare species of wildlife and plants involved 160 fire fighters from over 20 stations...I wonder what caused it another disposable barbeque perhaps?.

    all the carparks are still closed so now we have to put up cars and vans blocking roads pavements and now the council are banning walking dogs on the beach (happens in summer anyway) not because residents have asked for it, but because the 'visitors' who shouldn't be here yet, have complained.

     We live in a selfish society 

  • KjellNN
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    edited May 2020 #2168

    Our DIL and SIL are both teachers, they are both on a rota to supervise children of key workers at the same hub school, but are otherwise working from home, setting and marking work for their classes and taking part in various meetings on line.  

    They are receiving their pay as usual and seem to me quite well paid as both are now at the top of their pay scale, so would need a promoted post to improve their income.

    Up here the starting salary for a teacher is around £27500, and top of scale for an unpromoted post is around £41500.

    Head in a subject is paid between £45000 and £58000, which is what SIL is aiming at meantime.

    He also does private tutoring and earns a bit extra doing exam marking too.

  • young thomas
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    edited May 2020 #2169

    too right, see above.wink

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #2170

     And all that for less days worked than mostsurprisedwink

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  • thebells
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    edited May 2020 #2172

    Although it's certainly not minimum wage I don't think £27500 is particularly well paid for a job as demanding as teaching. The head of subject salary is certainly a decent wage though.

    Good luck to your SIL😊

    I suppose I'm just inclined to consider professional vocations as deserving higher pay.

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #2173

    I take politicians? are included in you postwink

  • young thomas
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    edited May 2020 #2174

    eventually we all hope to return to 'normal' life, whatever that maybe in the future.

    maintain social distancing has been the biggest single factor in battling this pandemic.

    folk moving a greater distance, yet still maintaining that distance, has been in operation in supermarkets since day one, and now in other areas.

    the gradual 'opening up' could take many forms....moving around with an abitrary limit of xxx miles, and/or restricting/raising the number of non-household folk we are allowed to come into contact with.

    at the moment, that choice is greater distance but only one person not from the household.

    Ireland has chosen to raise the limit on number of non household people that can mix.

    im afraid, this is going to be a long haul balancing act as certain parts of our life and work and economy come slowly back into operation.

    its obvious that you think any travelling (whatever is done at the end of that trip) is going to be our nemesis but whatever the tactic/approach is wont be 'right' in the eyes of some.

  • brue
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    edited May 2020 #2175

    Kj our daughter's take home pay for her four day week (which often extends into evening meetings with parents etc) is way below your quoted £27000. It possibly doesn't even hit the 20k mark. She was previously head of department but decided to step back from the stress following a bad bout of pneumonia. The drop out rate for teachers is sadly high.

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2020 #2176

    Its just the stupidity of not distancing as we saw on beaches and no doubt into the seaside/ country towns. Those idiots could very easily be carrying the virus thus infecting those of us who have kept exactly to the rule.

  • brue
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    edited May 2020 #2177

    The countryside in the SW is tinder dry at the moment, really bad news about Wareham forest.

    I feel our opportunity to enjoy the coast has probably gone  as we move over for visitors from several counties away. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #2178

    Good. You agree with me that the current/future situation appears somewhat akin to my description of 40/50 years ago. Your experience was clearly different which is good although the myth of a job for life was well and truly disproved at that time.

  • brue
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    edited May 2020 #2179

     Perhaps they should down tools Fisherman. I hope your larder is well stocked. wink

  • young thomas
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    edited May 2020 #2180

    agree, Brue....we all want low taxes and we all want mucho investment. shouldnt be too difficult?

    back to my favourite 'elephant in the room'...theres a constant exponentially increasing demand on our limited resouces...

    the 'answer' isnt to keep building (and taxing to pay for) more 'services' and im NOT saying i have the answer either...

    ...but its a fact that we (more) longer living folk require more and more care (unbelievably expensive per capita) over a longer and longer period.

    its a thorny, emotional subject and one i understand (to a degree) as i know how much it takes to keep my old folks 'ticking along' where my dad (at 91) is my mums primary carer at home.

    Lord knows how much that would rocket by if it were all done somewhere else.

     

  • thebells
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    edited May 2020 #2181

    Being a teacher in a school in the middle of a deprived area is very much living in the real world!

  • Cornersteady
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    edited May 2020 #2182

    in what way? and how do you know?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited May 2020 #2183

    +1

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #2184

    One day you might make a friendly post, Fish. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited May 2020 #2185

    I suspect you are not alone David. Many of our generation will have gone through life working for the same company, I did 46 year with the same company. We may not have been rich and there were some rocky times along the way but many of our generation retired (not all at 50!) with fairly decent pensions. Since then the whole world seems to have been thrown up in the air and not just by corona virus. I suppose each generation has to make the best of what they have and whilst we can't really change things for them some will achieve and some won't as ever was the case!

    David

  • MikeyA
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    edited May 2020 #2186

    What all teachers seem to forget is there is a value attached to the long holidays. No one should expect top line salaries for a  5 day week, 40 weeks per year employment. ( except MP's)

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2020 #2188

    Bit thought provoking is why China has suddenly ordered another 250, million gowns from PPE manufacturers which means there is very little capacity for the rest of humanity

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2020 #2190

    That’s what happens when health is brought down to the cheapest price possible. We should have world class industries manufacturing all critical safety wear.