Coronavirus: Stay or go
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Ruby - just another thought - how about the Cwmcarn Forest site? Not sure how far that is from you - we used to stay there back in our tenting days, but I just checked their website and they do appear still to be open with HS pitches for vans and EHU. Any good?
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Fish, if we take a journey regardless of proximity to others I doubt the virus can get out of one car & into another to infect🤷🏻♂️.
PS-unnecessary?, does this virus 🦠 not infect folk on necessary journeys?
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This whole matter of what is or is not "essehtial" travel really needs clearing up. For example, I'm still doing my Cinnamon Trust dog walking - it involves a 3 mile trip across to the other side of town and then back again each day.. One could say that's not "essential, but if I stop doing it the 81 year old lady owner probably sees no one else from one day to the next and the dog is put out into her very small back garden to "exercise". So "essential" or not?
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I think driving out to a park or similar place to get some fresh air and exercise is accepted as 'essential travel'. The National Trust have made entry to their grounds free as have the RSPB. Derby Council have now made parking free at their city parks. Providing people give others a bit of space there shouldn't be any problem with the virus being spread.
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Hi everyone,
Current government advice so far on travel refers to the use of public transport and travel to work, and for certain age groups, as part of its social distancing guidance. There are currently no restrictions on the use of private motor vehicles. The official government guidance is available here.
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I suspect what the Government mean regarding "Essential Travel", as far as any one can tell, is they are trying to restrict the movement of people who would otherwise come together in close contact and therefore risk passing on infection. So logic would suggest travelling on a train or a bus is high risk but travelling in a car less so. However the risk increases once you get out of the car and the contact you then have with other people, particularly those in high risk groups. If you come in contact with no one it would appear there is little risk. So like all things it is a matter of judgement.
David
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Exactly, David. It’s not the use of the car that's the issue but what happens once one leaves the car.
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Dont we learn the lessons of Italy & Spain where people moved out of the cities to rural relatives and took the disease with them.Same as for caravaning and even worse stupid rich people moving to their country second homes likewise.They bring disease with them and put even greater strain on the small rural medical practices. The club should look at this wider issue and responsibility and put the welfare of the general public above the need to cater for a few selfish idiots who want to take their caravan out.
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Our local(ish) Sainsbury today had its over 70s 0800 to 0900 shopping hour today. I was filling up with fuel adjacent to the supermarket and the trolley queue snaked around corner after corner, I have never seen anything like it.
There were hundreds of elderly people that would eventually get squeezed into the confines of the aisles attempting to grab their essential food.
Whoever thought that one up needs to sit down and rethink, it just needed one to start a cluster
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Our Asda is doing similar. They are no longer opening 24hrs but opening 6am to 10pm with a couple of variations. Us oldies are being invited to shop between 6 and 9am on Friday. No thank you! After witnessing the scrum to clear the shelves yesterday, I’ll be using local shops whenever possible.
Online shopping has become farcical as, even if you find a delivery slot, there’s no knowing what goods might turn up.
Did anyone else hear of the case in a Tesco store where staff had to remove the food bank trolley because people were removing goods from it? How shameful! 😖
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The summary of advice further down the page on the govt site paints the real picture eg working at home, strongly advised, social mixing eg going out to pubs, cinemas, theatres...they obviously can't list the whole of possibilities but I think it could also mean, spas, hotels, campsites etc ...Strongly advised against.
Obviously CAMC have put their own spin on the interpretation but thankfully others will think differently.
I had a look on the CAMC FB page, "someone" and I'm surprised to read his views is glad the site facilities are open so he can have access to hot water. I hope he goes in with surgical gloves, soap, disinfectant and a clean cloth!
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However the risk increases once you get out of the car and the contact you then have with other people, particularly those in high risk groups. If you come in contact with no one it would appear there is little risk. So like all things it is a matter of judgement.
The risk is not only contact with other people, it is believed the virus can exist on hard surfaces for up to 48 hours, that is why you are advised to wash hands frequently and avoid tourching your face.
peedee
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Agreed, Brue. It’s the club's spin. I’ve just had the same old bumf in reply to my latest email.
The Church of England has decreed that weddings can only be attended by a max of 5 people yet club sites continue to welcome all. I despair and for the first time ever feel embarrassed to be associated with the organisation. ☹️
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The risk is not only contact with other people, it is believed the virus can exist on hard surfaces for up to 48 hours, that is why you are advised to wash hands frequently and avoid tourching your face.
I thought that I read 72 hours? I find no difficulty in avoiding social contact on CMC sites and, under the present circumstance would use my own facilities. On our last stay on a site (15 nights in December) I used the facility block on two three or occasions only (whilst also emptying the loo) preferring to use the caravan. OH used the site facilities but would choose not to at present
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- I take it you will also have disposible gloves or anti bac wipes for each time you use the water or waste taps and dustbins, or any of the doors on any building you may use
,do not forget to clean any barrier card/key before use - ps When making what it seems most on here consider a non essential journey,and adding as many of us, to the very much more risk of infection being in the more vunerable groups, wear diposible gloves when taking on fuel for your journey , and the doors of the fuel station or wipe the card machine on the pump
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I wish someone could explain to the forum where on earth is the pleasure of sitting in a caravan, isolated in the middle of a field, probably with no services, and unable to socialise. That is not the sort of caravanning most people enjoy, surely. Secondly, nobody seems to be able to explain how going for a break in their caravan is “essential travel”. Please enlighten us.
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I personally will not be using my Motorhome to travel to any sites. However I can understand why someone who lives in busy City (was busy ?) wanting to perhaps go to a Beach side site to isolate there. As long as contact with Wardens is distant, through a window say, and you dont use the facilities,(toilet block) just Water, EHU, and Chemical waste emptying (Gloves on, and washing hands). I dont see the problem with the sites being open.
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What you describe is hardly isolation, Ray. A carrier could carefully go to the service point when no one else seems to be around and, hey-presto, 3 other people appear and start chatting. Should the self isolating person ring a bell and call out "unclean"? Sorry but that is not self isolating, that is being out and about in the vicinity of others.
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