Excessive site fees
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corners, of course i accept your apology.
im always happy to debate, directly, any aspect of the forum discussion contents...back to excessive site fees, shall we?
thank you, as always you are a gentlman, seriouly apologies
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no worries, forgotten....
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We all want 5/6 star sites for 3 star prices
but they are just not out there, we also demand a lot for our money but don't
always get it
we will always be in most cases customers who pay up and put up with it we our selves moan about how prices have risen but we know what standards to expect on site and if it's where we want to go as I said pay up
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Five star sites have covered heated swimming pools, outdoor water parks with slides and lazy rivers, restaurants, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses to town or beach, indoor wet weather activities for children, drying rooms for clothes, private family bathrooms, communal barbecue areas, and the like. Let's not kid ourselves that the Club runs five star sites.
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Five star sites have covered heated swimming pools, outdoor water parks with slides and lazy rivers, restaurants, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses to town or beach, indoor wet weather activities for children, drying rooms for clothes, private
family bathrooms, communal barbecue areas, and the like. Let's not kid ourselves that the Club runs five star sites...Not short of most of that at Hillhead,but that if posts on here are to be taken notice of ,is not what a large section of memers do not want, and are happy with and are quite happy with how things are
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We never stay on club sites now ,we used to but they have now priced themselves way out of our means,thank goodness for the cl net work it enables us to carry on caravaning
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Five star sites have covered heated swimming pools, outdoor water parks with slides and lazy rivers, restaurants, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses to town or beach, indoor wet weather activities for children, drying rooms for clothes, private family bathrooms, communal barbecue areas, and the like. Let's not kid ourselves that the Club runs five star sites.
..Not short of most of that at Hillhead,but that if posts on here are to be taken notice of ,is not what a large section of memers do not want, and are happy with and are quite happy with how things are
Well, apart from the outdoor water park, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses, drying rooms, private bathrooms, communal bbq areas.........etc.
But the point is, JVB.......you are correct that a lot of people don't want all those things (I don't want/ need them but it matters not to me if they are provided for others)........but if a site doesn't provide these facilities they are not 5 star sites.
The CC sites are not 5 star sites, but they charge 5 star prices.......that is the point.
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Five star sites have covered heated swimming pools, outdoor water parks with slides and lazy rivers, restaurants, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses to town or beach, indoor wet weather activities for children, drying rooms for clothes, private family bathrooms, communal barbecue areas, and the like. Let's not kid ourselves that the Club runs five star sites.
..Not short of most of that at Hillhead,but that if posts on here are to be taken notice of ,is not what a large section of memers do not want, and are happy with and are quite happy with how things are
Well, apart from the outdoor water park, hairdressers, saunas, shops, shuttle buses, drying rooms, private bathrooms, communal bbq areas.........etc.
But the point is, JVB.......you are correct that a lot of people don't want all those things (I don't want/ need them but it matters not to me if they are provided for others)........but if a site doesn't provide these facilities they are not 5 star sites.
The CC sites are not 5 star sites, but they charge 5 star prices.......that is the point.
...So maybe thats why a few people go to these "5* sites ?"with the eye watering prices they charge families, compared to the two major clubs, who the majority of members want ,and anything 5* is in the eye of the persons who use them
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To me five stars relates to the quality of the site and the club gets that on most. I see no reason why a bar or swimming pool is needed but if there is one then it has to be first class to get fove stars not just be there.. Frankly I am out off by bars
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On the issue of star ratings......I read a lot of hotel reviews and a lot of people comment on their star rating based on how pleasant (or otherwise) the hotel looked. There is a lot of misunderstanding about how this works.
Star ratings don't work like that.
A hotel gets more stars based on how many bars and restaurants it has, how many pools, whether it has an overnight reception, what equipment is provided in the rooms, whether there are pictures on the walls.......etc.
It has little or nothing to do with whether the hotel is clean and tidy.
The higher the star rating, the more the hotel operator has spent and the more they can charge, generally.
It's just the same with caravan sites.
But the CC want to provide clean and tidy, fairly basic sites (all of which is fine by me) which makes them maybe 3 star.
But they charge 5 star prices.
That is the problem.
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club sites are in the middle, in a popular area there are cheaper sites and there are more expensive (examples on demand)
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As i did mention both clubs do not for the majority of family members who fill most of them during the peak periods show, charge 5* prices ,its the companies who do loss leaders out of these periods,and who then charge eye watering prices for the same peak
periods ,who as Ian says, have put in more things to keep people on their sites, to spend even more money, for a minority of the UK compared to the clubs0 -
Examples in North Devon please, Corners......
do your own homework Ian, I only research places I go to. Lakes clubs sites, about £30, others round about £40-£50 per night.
But think on this, if clubs sites charge too much for one then don't go,
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never one to resist a challegne and help a fellow member.
club sites are within £25-30 pernight, I've found two sites that charge £38.50 and £43!, oh and thats now not in July. Like I said, club sites are in the middle, but no one is forced to pay the fees they set, and as two threads on here have shown this week,
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Thank you Corners.
I don't know where those sites are, but the non-Club site we have just stayed at in North Devon was £106 for the week - about £15/night......and that was for a fully serviced, bookable pitch.
As you say, Club sites in the area were about £25/night and that didn't include fully serviced (if they even have any).
We checked out a couple of Club sites in the area and both were in inferior locations to the one we stayed at (which had views down the valley to the beach).
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yes, there are cheaper sites than club sites and no doubt as good as club sites, but there is always the 'problem' of not being entirely sure of the quality before you get there? With a club site you know ehat you are getting, at least for me anyway. An
example of this was Briarfields thread (?) their website photos and DavidK's photos didn't really match up, and I would have been disappointed with the pitch size had I arrived for a long stay, but that is just my view anyway.0 -
Very true, Corners. That's why I read lots of reviews and sought opinions on here and other web sites before booking. I was put off the Damage Barton site (affiliated to CC I think) by those comments.
Funny thing was, one chap recommended the chosen site to us on another forum. I posted a 'thankyou' to him after we got home. Turned out he was pitched about 6 spaces from us for part of our stay!
(and another member on this forum was pitched next to us for our final night
)Coincidences, eh?
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Just returned from Chatsworth and Castleton. Both sites of typical CC standard. Both sites had vacancies over the week ends even now.Mid week, huge vacancies. What was striking was the quality of the showering facilities, tired and very confined. Very much
below the standards we have seen on every commercial site used since 2015.0 -
Exactly how we find CC sites, Fisherman.
Generally tidy (other than the lady washing dog poo from her trainers at the waste point this morning!) but toilet and shower facilities showing their age and the effects of only being cleaned once per day, weeds growing through the hardstandings and grass
rarely cut.None of these are a problem to us at all, but there again I don't expect to pay top whack for these rather 'average' sites.
I'm really starting to wonder, when people say "you know what to expect from CC sites" what exactly they expect.......fairly average sites for higher than average prices?
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I am surprised if there were vacancies at Chatsworth and can only assume they were cancelations as it is generaly almost impossible to get in there. We are off th Chester tomorrow and it looks to be boked up almost everyday. We were going to set off today
but not a lot going. Most sites are pretty near booked up this weekend which suggests the criticism is not as valid as some think.If the club have the sites near full then it is difficult to say they are too high with fees. Basically if you do not find the fees reasonable you should abstain to show your feelings.
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At this time of year my comments were not about the fees per say but the way CC sites are falling behind the commercials in quality. My critisism of fees is during the off peak periods when the club should be clamouring for income. We have an old welsh saying
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Not been to Castleton for a while, so cannot comment. However, would strongly disagree that the facilities at Chatsworth are tired and confined. They are also well above the ratio of pitches to facilities, compared to equal price commercials we have stayed on. The one complained about Chatsworth I have is, in the winter months the roads get very messy due to the stone block / grass fronts to some of the pitches. These should be done away with.
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