New CL: fantasy price
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Thank you for that informative post, CG.
Fysh's point of average site fees rising is a concern to many but I think the prices charged by CLs must surely reflect the economy of their geographical location and the prices charged by similar sites. I do not think there is a one size fits all system for pricing even with like for like sites. With respect, your CL is in a prosperous area and you are, therefore, possibly able to charge more than similar sites in other areas. Indeed, you may need to charge more if your operating costs are greater.
With regard to support from CC, there is quite likely more that could be done. CC let CL owners, and members, down badly this year with the failure of its website. CLs are restricted to taking CC members only and then the platform for viewing the sites was no longer there. As you well know, several CLs looked to publicising themselves on other websites and there were reports of bookings being down. Personally, I have little faith in CC giving more support but wish you all well.
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Thank you for your support. I'll continue to listen to all comers and provide feedback ti the Club in my capacity as a Champion of CL Visitors and CL Owners.
With regard to Questions at the AGM, the Club is very open to questions and I'd recommend that you attend and ask a question if you feel strongly about an issue. It's how I started to get involved. All questions are recoded in the Minutes which are online
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last two posts have hinted at why small site prices have crept up....electricity...
the investment to do this over and above a similar (but, say, very nicely) mown and kept field, is considerable...
this has to be got back from customers, and it may be that they want that return back reasonably quickly....so this will add to prices.
then there are the 'demands' for showers and toilets....again, often more investment needed, and these small places dont have the economies of scale that the club has to 'work on' costs....
a simple (well kept, well drained) field/garden/meadow can be a lovely place to stay....usually at a sensible price....£10 or less in its native form....
start ramping up unnecessary facilities with 'electric, showers, toilets' and that cost will move accordingly.....
visit any number of CCC THS (temp hol sites) which, in effect, are CL-type accommodation but for larger numbers, and these come in at around £8-£9 a night....more akin to an untainted 5-van site....
start changing all this into mini club sites and the cost will soon be on a par.....
no thanks.
Write your comments here...I have put a post about catershill farm Pembrokeshire nr Narberth and Begelly.They offer a metered 16 amp pwer supply with coin operated slots.We having been cl owners are aware of usage and caravan with that in mind and turn things
off when not in.We ran the fridge,and water heater where necessary and T.V..We were there 14 nights and put £9.00 in the slot all Holiday.The owners said the electric was priced at the rate they paid for it.The site fee was £12.00 pn .Showers.washing macine,driers
all reasonably priced coin operated.If these can price fairly why are the charging ridiculous fees for a C.L.0 -
Write your comments here...I have put a post about catershill farm Pembrokeshire nr Narberth and Begelly.They offer a metered 16 amp pwer supply with coin operated slots.We having been cl owners are aware of usage and caravan with that in mind and turn things
off when not in.We ran the fridge,and water heater where necessary and T.V..We were there 14 nights and put £9.00 in the slot all Holiday.The owners said the electric was priced at the rate they paid for it.The site fee was £12.00 pn .Showers.washing macine,driers
all reasonably priced coin operated.If these can price fairly why are the charging ridiculous fees for a C.L.But you are a conciderate user of electricity as anyone would be where it is being metered but the majority, I would hazard a guess, take the attitude they have paid for it so they are going to use it. The number of times I have seen awning heaters going
full pelt with no one in them [I don't agree with their use even if someone is in them] or doors left open so the heat escapes. In my small way I use the electric plate on my cooker in preference to using the gas using the same mentality and I think that I
am conciderate and don't waste electicity.As far as I am concerned I use CLs for the only five vans exclusivity rather than big club sites and expect to have to pay for that exclusivity.
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Brierly- I would have no problem with that type of site and at those prices.If they can do it why do the others need to charge so much? Just back from Haven at £9-80per night all in, no contests to look for a CL in the Lleyn Peninsular at their prices.
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Brierly- I would have no problem with that type of site and at those prices.If they can do it why do the others need to charge so much? Just back from Haven at £9-80per night all in, no contests to look for a CL in the Lleyn Peninsular at their prices.
..But how would a Cl compare when Haven are not running their loss leader prices
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Its not prices per se. Reasonably priced Cls in the right area would beat Haven for us..Its those at £15+ that I compare with Haven and dont use.
. ..But only because of Haven and other commercial sites loss leaders off peak ,that give a distorted idea that they are normaaly cheaper, when in fact they are more expensive than everywhere else,, when it matters to the majority of users
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Its not prices per se. Reasonably priced Cls in the right area would beat Haven for us..Its those at £15+ that I compare with Haven and dont use.
. ..But only because of Haven and other commercial sites loss leaders off peak ,that give a distorted idea that they are normaaly cheaper, when in fact they are more expensive than everywhere else,, when it matters to the majority of users
.....but is it 'the majority......'?
the haven prices are dear only in a few periods of the year, and there is a finite number of users that can get on site in those periods.
there are very many other weeks in the year where very many take advantage of those lower prices.
add up the number of pitch nights and ill wager there are as many used out of 'peak' as there are in those few peak weeks.
you keep banging on about loss leaders, somehow suggesting that these prices (for 75%) of thei season arent 'real'...it matters no one whit as to what the price level 'should be' in your eyes, haven have shown that to get the punters in (something not happening
much midweek, off peak on many CC sites) a strategy is needed.....good facilities at a good price.the CC strategy is continually charge more.....
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I cannot really comment about the prices Haven charge and if they are good value for money or just cheap because I have not stayed on one yet.
Will sort that out before too long. I fancy that one Fisherman stayed on in North Wales.
Need to see when they are open when I get 5mins
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BB I thought this thread is about CL "high"prices which is why I answered Fishermans post,
,please do not try your usual methods of posting before reading others correctly
...but, you answered his post with a specific reason for low prices (your usual drivel about loss leaders) and then suggested that 'when it matters to the majority of users' their sites are too expensive.....i am querying that.
if you post this and I dont agree, i will tell you that i dont, and give my reasons why.....we are 'debating' arent we?
you post something to support a case, others agree or disagree, and if disagreeing, generally give their supporting case.
i thought that was what happened above?.....no?
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BB I thought this thread is about CL "high"prices which is why I answered Fishermans post,
,please do not try your usual methods of posting before reading others correctly
...but, you answered his post with a specific reason for low prices (your usual drivel about loss leaders) and then suggested that 'when it matters to the majority of users' their sites are too expensive.....i am querying that.
if you post this and I dont agree, i will tell you that i dont, and give my reasons why.....we are 'debating' arent we?
you post something to support a case, others agree or disagree, and if disagreeing, generally give their supporting case.
i thought that was what happened above?.....no?
...A CL price is what was being compared with The "loss leaders"of commercial organisation ,as you well know????
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...and that was fine (a i said above, but you abviously didnt read) but then you went on to make a statement about Havens peak pricing affecting the 'majority of users' which imfelt was worthy of comment.....
if you dont want to debate that bit, then don't post it in the first place.....
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Write your comments here...I have put a post about catershill farm Pembrokeshire nr Narberth and Begelly.They offer a metered 16 amp pwer supply with coin operated slots.We having been cl owners are aware of usage and caravan with that in mind and turn things
off when not in.We ran the fridge,and water heater where necessary and T.V..We were there 14 nights and put £9.00 in the slot all Holiday.The owners said the electric was priced at the rate they paid for it.The site fee was £12.00 pn .Showers.washing macine,driers
all reasonably priced coin operated.If these can price fairly why are the charging ridiculous fees for a C.L.But you are a conciderate user of electricity as anyone would be where it is being metered but the majority, I would hazard a guess, take the attitude they have paid for it so they are going to use it. The number of times I have seen awning heaters going
full pelt with no one in them [I don't agree with their use even if someone is in them] or doors left open so the heat escapes. In my small way I use the electric plate on my cooker in preference to using the gas using the same mentality and I think that I
am conciderate and don't waste electicity.As far as I am concerned I use CLs for the only five vans exclusivity rather than big club sites and expect to have to pay for that exclusivity.
Write your comments here...It matters not what Electricity you use as long as you are prepared to pay for it with a metered system,At least with a meter providing the charging price is set at the standard rate and you can be as frugal or extravagant as you
want and the site fee is un affected.This would eliminate the i've paid for it so i'll use /waste as much as i like.0 -
Write your comments here...I have put a post about catershill farm Pembrokeshire nr Narberth and Begelly.They offer a metered 16 amp pwer supply with coin operated slots.We having been cl owners are aware of usage and caravan with that in mind and turn things
off when not in.We ran the fridge,and water heater where necessary and T.V..We were there 14 nights and put £9.00 in the slot all Holiday.The owners said the electric was priced at the rate they paid for it.The site fee was £12.00 pn .Showers.washing macine,driers
all reasonably priced coin operated.If these can price fairly why are the charging ridiculous fees for a C.L.But you are a conciderate user of electricity as anyone would be where it is being metered but the majority, I would hazard a guess, take the attitude they have paid for it so they are going to use it. The number of times I have seen awning heaters going
full pelt with no one in them [I don't agree with their use even if someone is in them] or doors left open so the heat escapes. In my small way I use the electric plate on my cooker in preference to using the gas using the same mentality and I think that I
am conciderate and don't waste electicity.As far as I am concerned I use CLs for the only five vans exclusivity rather than big club sites and expect to have to pay for that exclusivity.
Write your comments here...I think probably things have moved on since we started caravanning ,A nice mowed field ehu if availlable a cdp and fresh water and charged a reasonable rate.The new caravans come equipped with all manner of electric gizmos that
gobble up electricity.The only way fo cl owners to keep pace with costs is to raise the site fees.0 -
but this is a myth....
all caravan and MH appliances 'do' run off electric but 'can' run from other power sources.
hobs and ovens are gas. heating and hot water runfar more efficiently of gas, as does the fridge/freezer.
lights, tv, water pump all run from 12v as do many chargers for phones, tablets etc.
it really isnt rocket science to use other sources....many stick with electric because theyve either 'paid for it' or they 'always use electric'.
so even think that gas is expensive (which it is) but do nothing about finding a cheaper source (gas at the pump is 25% of the cost of calor) and so 'stick' with mains electric, some blissfully unaware they they are being charged plenty for this service.
yes, its horses for courses, but, as you say, CL stays could be made far more attactive by having the electric cost take. out of the site fee and charged back to those that choose to use it...or not.
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Caravans and MH's don't need 240v electricity from a hook up to function properly
The numbers of new caravans with Solar Panels is increasing year on year together with refilable gas systems.
All sites / clubs need to be ahead of the curve and recognise future trends not looking at what is the norm today then in a few years wonder what happened.
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...and that was fine (a i said above, but you abviously didnt read) but then you went on to make a statement about Havens peak pricing affecting the 'majority of users' which imfelt was worthy of comment.....
if you dont want to debate that bit, then don't post it in the first place.....
...Silly statement again from yourself and off the topic that was being discussed
A CL is the same price as the thread is about not the "loss leaders that try to attract people away from others including Cls off peak, whereas the two clubs know that CLs and /Cs need buisiness and do not try to take their income away off peak
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but this is a myth....
all caravan and MH appliances 'do' run off electric but 'can' run from other power sources.
hobs and ovens are gas. heating and hot water runfar more efficiently of gas, as does the fridge/freezer.
lights, tv, water pump all run from 12v as do many chargers for phones, tablets etc.
it really isnt rocket science to use other sources....many stick with electric because theyve either 'paid for it' or they 'always use electric'.
so even think that gas is expensive (which it is) but do nothing about finding a cheaper source (gas at the pump is 25% of the cost of calor) and so 'stick' with mains electric, some blissfully unaware they they are being charged plenty for this service.
yes, its horses for courses, but, as you say, CL stays could be made far more attactive by having the electric cost take. out of the site fee and charged back to those that choose to use it...or not.
Write your comments here...I've looked into running without hook up and have bought a sola panel and a quiet little generator.Next year i retire and would like to have more nights away a nice site offering drinking water cdp would do the job at a reasonable
rate.I don't mind using gas.0 -
It seems there is much more competition out there with new players in the CC concept type sites. The Cl network cant compete with these and perhaps trying to be mini club sites is not a good strategy. Guidance from the club should now be for Cls to return
to their roots perhaps with some EHU and hard standings to lengthen the season. This can be achieved whilst still maintaining the price structure in what we users consider acceptable. None of want to see a demise or further reduction in the Cl network but
fear the trend is that way.0 -
I've looked into running without hook up and have bought a sola panel and a quiet little generator.Next year i retire and would like to have more nights away a nice site offering drinking water cdp would do the job at a reasonable rate.I don't mind using gas.
Just out of interest, why a panel and a genny?
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It seems there is much more competition out there with new players in the CC concept type sites. The Cl network cant compete with these and perhaps trying to be mini club sites is not a good strategy. Guidance from the club should now be for Cls to return
to their roots perhaps with some EHU and hard standings to lengthen the season. This can be achieved whilst still maintaining the price structure in what we users consider acceptable. None of want to see a demise or further reduction in the Cl network but
fear the trend is that way.Write your comments here...
With local Councils being on a tight budget and with still having to promote tourism I believe it is easier to get Planning permission for your own caravan site, therefore those CL's that wish to expand and already have a large percentage of repeat CC members
who are visiting, then this is their opportunity to go free and accept other campers in their area. The time when they will leave is probably after a new directory is printed by CC as that still gives them 2 years free advertising.David www.perthshirecl.co.uk
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It seems there is much more competition out there with new players in the CC concept type sites. The Cl network cant compete with these and perhaps trying to be mini club sites is not a good strategy. Guidance from the club should now be for Cls to return
to their roots perhaps with some EHU and hard standings to lengthen the season. This can be achieved whilst still maintaining the price structure in what we users consider acceptable. None of want to see a demise or further reduction in the Cl network but
fear the trend is that way.As you say Fisherman, CLs can’t compete with commercial sites. It’s all a matter of scale.
As far as setting up a CL it is up to the owner to decide what sort of CL is appropriate for them. I don’t think there is any guidance from the CC. Putting electric hook-ups and hard standings in to extend the season is going to cost an enormous amount.
It would also then be classed as a developed site according to the rating system thus increasing the business rate. Each CL will have differing set up and running costs so I don’t believe there can ever be a set rate for each type of CL, there are so many
variables as there are too in the amount members are willing to pay.Running a CL is all about charging acceptable fees to members but also making an acceptable profit for the owner and they are the ones that are most aware of that, after all no one can expect an owner to run at a loss, that is not in anyone’s interest.
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For comparison to the fancy prices some new CLs are trying to charge we've just arrived on a CL with H/S pitches and EHU, quiet with easy access, although only a mile from a motorway, and great views, whose price is just
£9 pn. Was informed by the owner that he has already got
400 nights booked for next year!! Just maybe that's the way to go.0 -
All cl prices are stated as "from". That is the norm and it is maybe a way of allowing the cl owner to up his prices before the nest edition of the handbook comes out, The handbook states, "you should check with the site owner".
Personally I think £6 is a misprint.
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This months new additions to the network. 10 new. Most between £12 & £15 with ehu. 2 at a staggering £20 but with all facilities and 1 with ehu and shower £6
Can the last one be true. Bet people will be queuing up by now.
Are they listed yet in the New CL section? What's the name of the one that's £6?
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