2023 site fees
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I felt a little contextual padding might help folk see the broader picture. In fact, the thread wanders around as all these things tend to.
I'm not sure about it grabbing CAMC’s attention though. I think, as Corners said, it’s more likely to be the bottom line of pitch sales that influences them rather than a handful of posters on a MH forum having their say. They don’t take too much notice of such comments on their own forum so why would they react to a thread on another forum? I’ve seen site prices - all clubs - mentioned on several forums but it blows over in a few days and people move on to discussing the weather, caravan faults, the latest MH on sale etc.
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I have always found CAMC mainstream sites well run, well-kept and have never had any issue with site staff there and if in the right location have used them but I personally no longer find them value for money
As I usually book late I find pitch providers where the total cost is clear before I start the booking process and with easier booking systems. They are generally cheaper too.
Unfortunately, I don’t think CAMC HO will change their overall strategy on pricing unless they find many more empty pitches and maybe some less popular sites running at a loss. They do appear to be having ‘sales’ maybe that does tempt some to book.
Site P & L sheets at the end of the year could focus minds at HO if they are poor or we could see more 'sales' to fill pitches.
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That sums it up for us as well WN. Haven't stayed on a club site at all this year, usually we did in the earlier part of the year and again at the end of the year. Not anymore at the prices charged these days. We're very fortunate that we could afford to if we wanted to, but we don't consider club sites value for money now.
And in a strange way it's done us a good turn; we probably wouldn't have discovered some of the nice CLs we have found, so as they say: every cloud and all that
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We too are the same, both in once using some club sites early and late in the year (and the £15 or so non facility ones during the school holidays), and in no longer even considering them. We have remained the C&CC and are taking advantage of their discounts as well as using CLs and small commercial sites throughout the year.
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It’ll be interesting to see at the end of the year whether pitch sales are up, down or on a par with other years.
TW, Do you honestly believe that the "club" will produce figures that show a drop in occupancy levels compared to other years, as I don't.
I’ve seen site prices - all clubs - mentioned on several forums but it blows over in a few days
Well this post alone has been on the go for 4 months so far, and it is certainly not the only one that has run for a while on here.
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I may well have done the same if the site I booked had the 20% discount, my point was that I thought it unrealistic for it to be automatic. We only tend to stay anywhere 3 nights but by booking early we would have saved between £40 and £60 on an eight night stay. Those savings wouldn’t have been available to someone booking later as the sites were not included in the discount scheme. The CAMC might be a club, however it’s also a commercial organisation out to maximise its profits. Your membership simply gives you the right to book sites without paying a large surcharge as a non member. A bit like Go Outdoors.
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Nellie
Call me sad but I do read the AGM minutes every year and occupancy is usually mentioned. The value of pitches sold is always included in the accounts so you can compare year to year. However the two are not usually linked so if this year sites takings are above last year that could be due to increased prices rather than more people using the sites, so you need both bits of info?
David
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NTH, audited records will be accurate but what I was thinking of was CAMC using its own information to evaluate their decisions and the way ahead.
BB and I were talking about other forums, not CAMC’s in house forum where site prices have been a hot topic for the last 10 years. Other forums only touch on the clubs as an ‘also ran’.
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Is this a price offensive from C&CC. Offers everywhere...
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I got the same email today. Strange in a way as the other day I tried to book a couple of C&CC sites but there was no availability for the days I wanted and it wasn't at the weekend either. Perhaps it was the location as a nearby CMC was also full? Perhaps it's a case of popular sites in popular locations will always do well but those sites which don't attract the same popularity are suffering in current circumstances.
David
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These offers from the CCC are nothing new, they have had the same or similar offers for the past two or even three years.
I've taken full advantage of them, although you have to go looking for them. They only apply to certain campsites at different times of the season. Also have other terms and conditions.
Certainly i've found them worthwhile
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I think the entire travel industry is finding it difficult to position itself post pandemic and it's by no means restricted to the CAMC.
We are getting bombarded, literally daily, with emails from the likes of Riviera, Titan, Saga and EasyJet who all, in theory, offer "book early for the best deals" and are now desperately trying to fill places on cruises and packages at greatly reduced rates and extra offers such as "drinks inclusive" packages. I often wonder if folk who do book early ever get offered these new deals.
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Well, if their Chipping Norton site is anything to go by then the discount schemes seem to be working as the site was very busy, to my eyes at least, for the week before a Bank Holiday. It is a popular site whenever, according to the site manager, but the C&CC were still offering a discount for midweek stays, so perhaps ensuring that the site is nearly full acts as an encouragement to others to visit, thinking they are missing out on somewhere popular. We all know how the mind of certain people work....if it is good enough for them it will be good for us too!
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BB and I were talking about other forums, not CAMC’s in house forum where site prices have been a hot topic for the last 10 years
TW, I obviously misunderstood your post as to me it read as all forums, including CT, hence my comments.
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No worries, Nellie.
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Remember the song, English Country Garden....
"I'll tell you now of some that I know, and those I miss you'll surely pardon..."
well, here's 13 prices for the same Serviced Pitch at Black Knowle throughout the remainder of this year...so, I may have missed some earlier ones...
£41.00
£44.40
£45.00
£50.10
£52.30
£52.90
£53.50
£54.80
£56.00
£56.70
£57.60
£58.30
£59.20
surely this can't be necessary, with or without 'dynamic pricing'...with only 60p between some of the 'rates' this smacks of the meanest of penny pinching...
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As I think you once said “Pricing is a minefield” 🤷🏻♂️
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Whichever angle you approach the conundrum, what you have posted there is certainly not Dynamic pricing, ‘constant change’ is what dynamic pricing is, dictated by demand it is not pre thought out & planned increases over a long period-no dynamism at all🤷🏻♂️
PS-no demand=price drops, increased demand=price rises. . .Dynamic pricing in a nutshell.
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I think there is a bit of DP in that the price rises as the date approaches ...however I don't see the prices falling, as you say...I think the clubs version of DP is to send out loads of 'plenty of spaces' (begging) emails....I, and everyone else, gets loads of these....
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BBB?, but it has not baffled as you & I can see this is not Dynamic Pricing. Amazon does DP superbly & it can be followed-£199.99-1 week later-£149.99-1 week later-£99.99-1 week later-£249.99-1 week later-no longer available as they await more stock. Then it starts all over again. Hit it at the sweet spot & it’s a winner👍🏻
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Whether or not DP exists at BK or why there are so many price bands is perhaps beside the point, or even of no interest at all for the many that want to go there.
Looking at the projected bookings for HS pitches it's all lows (five or less) to mid October and about a third of those dates look full. I think there's about 85 of these pitches so roughly that's at least a 95%+ occupancy rate. Grass and awning pitches are low till mid August and roughly that at least 71% .
As BB focused especially on SP for his figures these are again more full, with lows till November and full half the time till September when it looks full about a third.
The single non EHU pitch has an occupancy rate of 22% (27 days out of 122) to the end of September. Make of that what you will.
This rough data for this site alone does appear to show a preference for HS and SP over grass, but that's the subject for another thread but it does stand out.
So yes DP doesn't appear to be at play and yes there are so many price bands, but so what for those that want to go there?
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Fair enough,but if anyone advises"book early for best pricing" that's what I expect and certainly if I am a member of that establishment, moreso. It seems loyalty is only working one way at the moment.Because of pricing this year,I have only booked one club site,and the membership fee is certainly of no benefit to me. We have booked commercial sites this year and without exception,they are all priced better than the club. Retired now,so no need to book,we just go at the drop of a hat. We are lucky in that respect.
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Well just for interest, I'm off to Melrose tomorrow and it's the same price band as when we were there a few weeks ago (Yes I know boring to go to the same site but that's me). Last time we had booked over a year ago while tomorrow's we booked last week. it's £4.60 per night more expensive this time, so it would appear that it was cheaper booking ahead.
Like you apart from certain dates we can and do go anytime. As to prices go where you get the best value for money, if the membership fee isn't giving you anything then don't pay it?
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Boring C?, not a bit of it. I have a place I go to in a forest where Pine Martens roam, Badgers & Deer, the sights & sounds are blissful. Returning to a place that lifts your spirits isn’t boring it’s maintaining a healthy attitude to you mental health👍🏻
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Because of pricing this year,I have only booked one club site,and the membership fee is certainly of no benefit to me.
Of course even with only one booking of eight nights there is a £61 saving by being a member and there might be something in the great savings guide which would help offset it even more.
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Having looked at those figures given by BB (it's an overcast day and Mrs C is packing - her clothes I may add as mine are already in the caravan) and although as he says there is 60p between rates he has given them in numerical order but not in consecutive date order.
Most of the time it changes by a few pounds in consecutive date order, (apart from one and I'll come to that interesting one later) the min consecutive date change is £1.60 and the max is £4.70, and usually around £2.80. These are all done by just me scanning btw.
However... (drum roll) there is one day to day change of 60p. Interestingly one Friday night earlish in July is £52.90, then the Saturday night is £53.50, then back to £52.90 for the Sunday then back up to £53.50 for the Monday , Tuesday and Wednesday are full, while Thursday is £53.50 then it's full till the following Monday when it's drops to £52.30, then Friday it's £59.20 (start of the school holidays) but drops to £57.60 on the Monday?
Most of the time, and I can't see any others, the price for Saturday night is the same as Friday, So why the jump of 60p for this one Saturday night? I can only assume it's very low or much lower than 5 and if you want a weekend at that time this is the price.
Is this dynamic pricing? Is it penny pinching or making more money? I wouldn't care if I wanted that weekend.
Anyway, once I started looking I couldn't help myself but when I used to do this and get paid the question we would ask ourselves is does this pass the shrugger test (I made that up I btw and it's still in use I'm told) That is, is it useful to know? Will it be used to drive up standards or change anything for example and if the answer to that was a shrug then it was a querk, an anomaly, silly even, but just left alone.
Likewise yes it does appear strange that there so many prices bands (but there were six in 1999 remember with a 10p minimum increase) but so what. People will want to stay on a site (and they do here no matter what one may think of the cost) they'll put their dates in and get a price, then it's easy pay it or not. Will all these price bands come into it?
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