Covid - news and views
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You don't know that at all Fish! You keep blaming everyone but you in this I'm afraid. As I said keep yourself safe, that's all you have to worry about, or rather all you can do.
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I have to agree with you on that.
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Whilst I agree nothing would surprise me!!! Having said that if certain vaccination centres were suddenly starting to get a lot of cancellations I am sure suspicions would be raised? It is always possible that some may have genuinely booked an appointment in one place but happened to be near a Walk in Centre and gone there instead, then perhaps forgotten to have cancel the original. For the sort of scam to be successful a large number of appointments would have to be booked in order to disrupt a vaccination centre and I imagine people would be looking into it?
David
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I’m talking me specific not everyone else I pointed out what I did x3👍🏻.
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Some emotional stuff here.No one has been fined for going to work and the rule (for the safety of staff) has been in place from the begining. No one is blaming anyone, just stating what is reported as a discussion. In the end it is up to us to take rsponsibility ourselves and as a family we have done so. No meeting over XmaS and basically self isolation until we see the outcome of the disease. My grouse is the idiocy of people with 2 years of research, statistics etc that shows the vaccination is your best bet as being safe, go out of their way to put others at risk.
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And also you have to remember that even being double/tripled vaccinated a person can still catch and pass on Covid.
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As along as that applies to your fellows that is fine, it is just that all of your examples are outside of your country
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It may be just me but I don't see in general terms a DSS fraudster, who are generally in it for themselves, being an anti-vaxxer? Could be I suppose.
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Same here, I haven't seen the report but guess its just some media person stirring up trouble as usual.
I'm not sure which is the worst the anti vaxxers or the low life press.
We have family members that are not vaxxed can't get through to them that they should be
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One of our sons aged 55 came over from Hong Kong with just one jab in his arm but needed a second jab to be allowed to fly back. Plymouth hospital asked which local GP he is registered with and what his NHS number is - he said he had neither of those as he has lived overseas for the last 30 years. They simply typed in his name and date of birth and said Oh you were here 42 years ago when you were 13 when you broke your wrist on a school summer camp - and then wrote out his NHS number on a piece of paper for him. The power of their computer !
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That’s the future right there👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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So compulsion "by the back door"?
Like you I am totally at a loss to understand why any right minded person should not take up the offer of free vaccination. But we do not live in a totalitarian society and the thought that folk who hold such views, for whatever reason, should be made to "toe the government line" by being deprived of their livelihood/benefits is just plain wrong (IMHO).
Make life difficult for them by all means, limit their ability to choose where to go and interact with others, but as long as we are being told that the vaccine is not 100% effective and that there is the, admittedly vanishingly small, possibility of serious side effects compulsion is not an option that should be considered.
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Pretty much agree with all of this apart from the ‘make life difficult for them’ bit. I would argue that they make life difficult for themselves! If the vast majority of us are prepared to protect ourselves, loved ones and the vulnerable amongst us then this would force them to take responsibility of their own actions, or lack of them. I’m convinced that the self inflicted inconveniences brought upon many of them would be persuasion enough, the rest are beyond our help!
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Actually, no, I should have made it clearer that I do agree with care home staff and NHS front line workers being required to be fully vaccinated. All the staff in my dad's care home, while he was alive, were very quick to comply. But you were talking about "everyone in employment" or on benefits.
As I have told you before (and please don't accuse me again of using a personal tragedy to score points), we lost my brother to hospital acquired covid just over year ago.
But I stand by my opinion that the wider point about compulsion by the back door is anathema in a free society - I don't understand those who refuse to be vaccinated, much less so when they try to inflict their views on others, but I also dislike the thought of inflicting my/our views on them.
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+1, I’m another one just like MSF too that is not for compulsion. Make it difficult but no bullying at all, we still live in a country that is relatively for free will👍🏻
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I am in the everyone should be vaccinated camp, certainly! I agree that those who have not been vaccinated, apart from where there are medical grounds, should face some consequences of that, like they cannot go to certain events and places and there could be/is a case for certain jobs.
However I draw the line at withdrawing any benefits, that is too harsh. If I thought that then personally for me I should hope I'd be expecting a ghost when the bells tolls one.
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Well today we did get a bit more confirmation that Omicron does look to not be as deadly as Delta or the other varients. Still highly transmitable.
So if anyone out there hasn't had their jabs and doesn't want them, this is the varient in which to get infected by, less illness but you still get the antibodies. Maybe we will get herd immunity after all.
Looking at the figures for Scotland, the care sector here has done themselves very proud, 100% of care home workers are fully vaccinated, NHS not quite so good but the worst group was the Social care workers at around 85% you would have thought that they would have been higher than that given the nature of the folk they have to deal with.
I'm all for making life more difficult for those who refuse to get vaccinated.
Switzerland have now gone for vaccinate or you don't get access to certain services, no negative tests allowed.
France, a Dr's surgery was closed by the authorities because the Dr himself refused to get vaccinated. Rightly so I think.
More and more countries are going to go down the route of restrictions for the unvaccinated.
Trying to get that across to one of my DILs is an up hill battle. My son has been done but she refuses to be done even though she works as a TA in a school.
Neither of their teenagers have been encouraged to go, we have tried our best but their Mum is not helping. So if they can't go to the cinema, ice skating, swimming, holidays etc. Then so be it, they will have to miss out on all the fun things. I do hope they bring it in that you have to have a Covid passport for the bingo, it's the only way DIL will get done 😁😁
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One of the restrictions is to put the anti vaxers at the back of the queue for hospital treatment if they need care because they have CIVID. Give priority to the millions of those waiting for appointments and suffering because of lack of beds and staff to administer care.
peedee
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What to do with the vaccine ‘shy’ is a difficult conundrum. We as a family are all vaccinated up but there exists a difference of opinion amongst us as to the degree of caution to be adopted. I’m still reticent to enter any crowded setting and certainly would be unhappy getting into a plane. Others are happy with this.
Yes, it looks like the latest variant is far more mild in its efforts to make us feel unwell but we are being told that it’s not this that is the issue, it’s the number of folks catching it. Apparently it is very much more transmitable and there in lies a problem- the chances of more variants popping up! Surely we should be doing our best not to allow this to happen until the numbers infected are reduced significantly. Possibly, Worldwide many would argue.0 -
I can't really agree with that at all and more to the point neither would any doctor or nurse? Could you really see any medical professional turning down care for someone who needs it there and then? Could you personally do that?
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100% of care workers vax’d?-excellent👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻. ‘Care worker’, it’s in the name-they care. I’ve been saying that-‘Omicron is less deadly’ for around 2 weeks now, some folk questioned my data, I think the fact South Africa told us this over 2 weeks ago yet the UK Govt wouldn’t accept it says volumes on playing fast & loose with facts🤷🏻♂️
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