Marazion
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yes but it was Steve's choice and you should respect that no matter what you personally may think, he knew the prices beforehand and decided it was worth paying and was happy.
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... They have lower maintenance costs and lower initial capital outlay and if my experience is anything to go by excellent return on the clubs investment.
Last year when the Wels gov said that shower blocks should be closed, we were originally booked in at Chirk. When I question the club that they were not reducing the price per night, the reply I got back was that there was little difference in running cost between a full fat facilities site & a none facilities site ..... 🤔🤔 Quite how that works is beyond me
And I too would prefer a none facilities site to a club site
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Your choice, his choice, Both are equally valid, but my point is that you should respect Steve's, which you didn't on page 5.
As to the joke I have no idea?
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Who doesn't have google these days PD? I don't think not knowing what's available is valid in my opinion. We have many non members stay on site that like what the club offers compared to others and are also happy to pay the supplement.
JK
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I think I'm correct in saying that those who hire MH's via the club's link up with Swift get temp membership of the club so they wouldn't pay the supplement.🤷♂️
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...but many members 'on the inside' that ive spoken to (incl some at FM
) feel that £30 a night (even with members discount) is still pretty steep....for the Club's basic offering of a pitch and a loo/shower,we had 3 nights at Seacroft, £99+, which is pushing things...with no water on the pitch, no free wifi, pool closed (in fact it looked hideous) and the usuals rows of vans...
we are now on our last site of the tour (commercial) and have a lovely open area (each hedged area has just 6 or 7 vans), water on the pitch, included wifi, lovely open swimming pool, bar, restaurant, far nicer, larger showers than the typical CC offering and £32 a night...
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TTDA posted....
"I suppose majority of Members want flash Sites nowadays, where the Sites are an end destination, rather than a simple pitch up to explore an area. "
I agree, there is certainly a market at both ends of the spectrum and i hope one 'type' doesnt come at the expense of the other...
in the 7 locations weve used this tour, 3 were CLs (own facs, all lovely), 3 CC sites (4 if you include the (sorry but) awful Inclborough Fields which we stayed as short a time as possible) and 1 commercial.
the CC sites at Seacroft, White House Beach and Brighton were fine.
with 5 vans in a large area, CLs give that peaceful, uncrowded appeal and for those happy to use own facs give a large choice. the club sites were nice, as said, but formulaic and were booked way back when things looked 'interesting' so chose club booking benefits.
this particular commercial has hedged areas of 6/7 vans which, despite being a large site, gives the feel of several CLs together, plus benefit of top notch facilities.
so, our touring covers all parts of the spectrum and i thing there is still a place for those who tour (sometimes) wanting less rather than more..
we just happened to pick a 'more than most' site to end with as its close to a lovely town and NT...oh, and a very large river.
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i was just affirming that there is certainly room for them and losing any is a shame...if there had been one in one of the areas we visited, we would have used one..
DK suggests that full facs make more, but as stated upthread, the investment is significantly higher..as is the maintenance, certwinly in Covid...we were at one site which stated the showers were closed from 10-12!!! for cleaning every day.
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@BoleroBoy ... if you include the (sorry but) awful Inclborough Fields which we stayed as short a time as possible) and
Just wondered why you thought that 😕 We stayed there a few years back & liked the site especially as it wasn't all gravel
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Just to be clear I would have no objection to the Club opening more no facility sites. However from a commercial point of view I think the Club would seriously consider the likely financial outcome between a no facility site and a full facility site. Imagine the Club purchase a plot of land large enough for 100 pitches. Even a no facility site would involve considerable investment. Electrics would be no different on either site nor would the provision of water and waste. Given what they have done at Hebden Bridge I imagine they would want to include the provision for say a couple of dozen service pitches. So the only real additional cost is the facility block £250,000 plus depending on size. Comparing the non facility site Hebden Bridge with the full facility site at Hawes the difference in pitch price per night is between £10 and £15 a night, so potentially £1000/1500 a night extra revenue. Clearly a facility block would probably have a minimum life of 25 years and even allowing for extra staffing costs the Club would stand to substantially add to its finances over the longer term. My argument is therefore the full facility site would provide the better return on investment in the long run. If thinking about the future, will caravans and motorhomes be as well equipped as they are now given the uncertainty of electric propulsion. Could it be that in future LV's will be more basic and rely more on site provided facilities. The truth is we don't know!
David
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Some where we are at Bearsted ,say it is expensive? ,until they are made aware of what it costs these days to run sites that use employed staff,, where the majority of other than basic maintenance has to be out sourced to specialist companies ,where their staff are all "qualified" to carry out such work,,
On family run sites the risk is theirs
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yes, it was all grass (what we saw, and where we pitched) but we felt we were totally overlooked, far too many pitches crammed in, too hilly, too far even to get off the site....just not for us ....and i play golf!
as it happens, we got a cancellation to move directly to Seacroft...which was more expensive....but a far nicer location, site more level, less overlooked etc...
we all have different tastes but OH and i knew before we had reached the check in that it probably wasn't for us....after we found a pitch ('twas rammed) that confirmed it.
probably a love it or hate it site.
i think EasyT loves it, we just couldnt im afraid...no worries, we just moved on..
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We would choose Incleborough over Seacroft funnily enough. Just like the location much better. We stayed in a gorgeous cottage in West Runton last year, and I walked the footpath alongside Incleborough. It’s very handy for the rail links as well, more so than Seacroft. Did you get around any of the lovely gardens around there BB, Felbrigg or Blickling? I suspect they would be lovely at the moment.
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Yes, Felbrigg and Sheringham Park....both nice. Sheringham itself also a lovely little place...not unlike Wells-next-the Sea.
the location made little difference (just up the road) it was just the site itself...just didnt do it, so no point being there.
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North Norfolk has some really lovely CLs and CS sites, some of the best in the country, so it’s rare we use Club Sites there. Only been to Incleborough once, a couple of nights one Autumn, only half of Site open very quite. Never been to Sandringham or Seacroft, but we have always enjoyed Fakenham Racecourse. Not sure if it’s still a Club Site nowadays.
I think part of our Cornish trip in September might be to seek out an alternative to Marazion if it comes to pass that Club have lost it. We prefer not to be too far down either Lands End or the Lizard, as it can be a tad more cut off at either, that’s why we loved this location. Choice of coasts, equidistant to either LE or Lizard, and easy to get elsewhere such as Falmouth, St Agnes Etc....
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We have not been back to Incleboro Fields since we discovered Seacroft where we go quite frequently. Reluctant to go to a site without hardstandings. Apparently the National Trust don't like gravel pitches and they seem to have some influence? Seacroft is not perfect but certainly it suits us better than Incleboro Fields. At least members have a choice in the same area so it should suit all?
David
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I’m sure there are. Each one on its own terrace.
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Is this a Marazion thread? Where are we now?
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