2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold
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Excellent. So that is 18 chargers, each taking an hour to recharge 1 car.
What happens to other hundred or so cars in that car park, I wonder.
(Not a dig at you, Takethedogalong) - commenting on total inadequacy of the infrastructure being contemplated.
And if you are a motorhomer, you have to drive around York looking for the alternative parking.
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Whichever way you look at it, conventional plug in type charging sourced from solar, grid or wherever, can never be adequate for a world without ICE vehicles. The only solution that could work at scale is charging strips built into roads. The technology isn’t 100% there yet, but the sort of technology we use to wireless charge our electric toothbrush or mobile phones will probably provide the basis of the solution. Static charging by parking over a pad has already been demonstrated to work - maybe that’s what we’ll see longer-term at campsites & aires?
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Honda were playing a solar powered car years ago ... granted it wasn't the kind pf car you'd nip to the shops in
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All the hype and "positives?" that are being pushed by all those Involved (for bigger profits) they will not it seems, also publicise the cost involved or the subsidises/grants they will be hoping to extract from governments to try? to enable it all to happen
which will of course come from taxes we havs paid
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Yep, electricity generation and distribution is the business to be in. Whether charging your car, running your heat pump or cooking your dinner, electric will be all there is, beyond a few niche power products. If there’s not much competition or alternative, why would anybody want to offer a subsidy?
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That sort of charging is already here. Electric bus charging in Milton Keynes
David
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Apart from the general lack of knowledge about EVs and the usual repetition of misinformation it concerns me that people cannot seem to think in terms of what might be available in 10 years time. Range has increased massively in five years. My i3 has around double the range for very little increase in size/weight from when the car was first introduced. Costs are coming down and will fall even more as mass production ramps up. Major Uk companies are already switching delivery vans to electric. Not many people have a petrol station at home so why the obsession with home charging?
What we see now is just a glimpse of the future. It may not pan out entirely as planned but car manufacturers obviously think it will as they are investing billions.
If you drive an EV you will soon come to realise how noisy, polluting and inefficient combustion engines are and wonder how we put up with them for so long. Fear not, by 2030 you will have electric cars perfectly capable of towing your caravan and I fully expect that for motorhome owners like me there will be battery powered alternatives or, perhaps, Hydrogen.
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Yep, they just need to figure out how to reliably do that for thousands of vehicles simultaneously in motion all using the same induction charging system over a significant part of the UK road network. I would be fairly confident about that. Home charging will become an unnecessary inconvenience for most.
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I have just seen the news about the Tesla that crashed in America ,destroyed the car set fire two trees and two houses on fire from battery part s when it exploded and the front wheel hit an apartment wall so hard it burst the water pipes. No studies electric car battery's safety. It was doing 100 miles an hour
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Any car can do that, getting out of bed in the morning is dangerous.
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America always does thing bigger, faster, louder than everywhere else.😀
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Given the obvious massive increase in demand for electricity, I am surprised that legislation has not yet been introduced requiring all new build housing/ warehouse distribution premises to have solar roofs and existing commercial premises with roofs in excess of say 200sqM to install within 5/10 years.
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I find it astonishing that solar panels are not fitted to all new build, domestic and commercial, as standard to be honest. Seems like a no brainier to me. Could have been ongoing for years, all helping to commit to green energy. Suppose no one is making enough money out of it though.......
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Due to-£££Ker-ching🤷🏻♂️. Why give you something that can be sold to you later👍🏻. If the Govt(any Govt) was truly committed they wouldn’t have bailed from the support for subsidised solar panel fitting. I’d fully be onboard for a domestic wind turbine too in my garden👍🏻
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Sums it up neatly Rocky. The commitment is only there if someone can make a profit. Or can obtain a Government contract............🤷♀️
Cynical.......moi?☹️
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Doesn't surprise me. Gravy trains the World over are very similar. I suspect there will be a lot of people in decision making positions that will be a great deal wealthier after the World emerges from this current crisis. Then it will be onto the next money making venture...........☹️
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It's always easy to spend other peoples money. If you want to have solar panels or a wind turbine, by all means have it, but please don't try to get me to pay for it for you. If you think it's a good investment, I'm sure you will invest in it.
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You are missing my point compo. I suggested all new build should have green energy capability as standard. That way you can opt out, rather than opt in. Ok, it might add a tiny bit more to the initial build price, but it’s cheaper than adding in later, and let’s face it, only a fool would refuse to use something that might save them money, and do a bit towards saving the planet for their grandkids.
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I don’t know if those Energy Performance Certificates we’ve seen for. many years now, provide any additional data on new builds? However, folks I know who live in recent new builds are generally surprised how effective heat pumps and energy recovery systems are. Maybe the price to pay is living in a stuffy airless box? Not for me, but a further consequence of too many people living on a small island/planet.
There’s no doubt that a decent solar installation will pay for itself over time, but that’s obviously a variable that will benefit some and not others.
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Our local LA in the guise of a "housing trust?about 10years ago fitted solar panels to some of their stock, and some owners used the same company to have them installed, it seems they are on a 25yr contract with it seems , an off shoot of one of the big energy companies who "subsidised?" them
When one of the private owners had a problem with their roof leaking,it was nearly two year of trying to get anyone to accept it was a faulty fitting of the panels that was the cause ,
It has been noted recently that several of the council stock with panels have scaffolding on the panels side yet to find out why ,but of no interest to us ,but may ask if i see any tenants
Ps do the panels need cleaning to keep them from losing their effectiveness with the ammount of polution noted when it rains on most glass
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It was a way to help the Govt achieve their desired ‘Green goals’ they paid so much to the energy supplier & so much to the homeowner. Just like the EV’s original subsidising just like the NHS-most things are subsidised, we all pay for them👍🏻. I continue to pay into a private pension & into the state one. At some point in my life I will be denied all or part of the state pension, the Govt hasn’t pushed us into independent pensions for nothing-the state one will either be reduced or dumped in the future🤷🏻♂️
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Private/company pensions are there to give a better? standard of living , as a supplement to the poor compared to some other countries state pensions and to reduce those who will need to claim other benifits
Have you looked at pension credit? that is much advised by HMG to claim
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Many of the earlier posts questioned where we would get the electricity from to charge all of the new EV's. Your suggestion makes a great deal of sense to me. I would rather see warehouse adorned with solar panels than fields full of them! Many new houses are built with solar panels but unless the Government require this as part of the Planning a lot of developers won't bother. I just don't understand the Government's lake of subsidy on solar panels on private houses. I have no idea how much electricity would be produced but I would guess to build a new nuclear power station it would cost a lot more in subsidies. Once in place those solar panels would be producing "free" electricity for years to come. My quid pro quo would be that whilst householders would benefit from the generated electricity any excess would go back into the national grid which would then help payback the original subsidy.
David
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I think one underlying issue is the abysmal quality of the new build homes now being thrown up, many lacking quality “breathability” solutions, and a basic lack of understanding on such by those buying them. We have family in new builds, and the issues they have compared with our much older property is startling. Anything designed and built needs to be fit for purpose, be that living comfortably, surviving economically and in this day and age, making a green contribution.
Same goes for caravans and motorhomes.....
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Pension credit?, why would I look at it?🤔. I took out a private pension to ensure a good standard of living way before my official pension age. I won’t claim for anything I don’t need👍🏻
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