2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold
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I have seen similar to those figures in another publication ,but,a less biased view ,when many in London have been installed ,as in our area ,by companies for their own employees use and company vehicles or as part of a "sales pitch" for new build and conversions for residential use i there is of course also grants from th Gov to LAs to install points as there is for home owners
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This article from the Telegraph Environment section is interesting. Currently there are no EV battery recycling facilities in this country and no plans to set any up. Batteries have to be shipped to Europe, where currently the processes used produces large amounts of CO2.
ENVIRONMENT
Britain ‘not set up’ for recycling car batteries
Lack of facilities to process lithium-ion cells shows UK ‘unprepared’ for green vehicle revolution
Emma GattenENVIRONMENT EDITOROlivia RudgardENVIRONMENT CORRESPONDENT
ELECTRIC car batteries are being sent to Europe for recycling, a study has revealed, amid expert warnings that Britain is not fully prepared for the electric vehicle revolution.The UK urgently needs to establish its own battery recycling facilities to avoid paying to ship batteries to Europe and losing out on a multi-million pound industry as it makes the transition to electric vehicles, experts have warned.
Britain has no plans to set up its own recycling facilities for lithium-ion batteries, despite this week announcing a ban on new combustion engines within 10 years.
Any old EV batteries must instead be stored in the UK and then shipped to recycling facilities in Europe, including Germany, Belgium and Finland. Up to 75 per cent of the cost of recycling the batteries can go on transportation, according to a study from the University of Warwick. Sending batteries overseas also means the UK loses the valuable precious metals, which can be reused in new batteries, leaving it dependent on imports.
By 2040, there are expected to be 339,000 tons of EV batteries reaching the end of their life annually, according to the University of Warwick, with an average value of £3.3 per kg.
Caspar Rawles, of analysts Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, said the UK needs to establish its own recycling industry “as a matter of urgency”.
The calls come amid criticism that the UK’s goal for phasing out petrol and diesel vehicles is not matched by plans for the necessary infrastructure.
Stephen Gifford, chief economist of the Faraday Institution, which specialises in battery research and development, said it would take three to five years to establish a recycling facility, from the point when the Government decided to give it the green light. He warned that without proper facilities, “in the worst case it might be difficult to transport battery waste overseas, and we will have a build-up of battery waste in this country.”
Although there are few EV batteries currently reaching their end of life, numbers will swiftly rise with the market in electric cars.“There will be so much recyclable material that it won’t be safe to stockpile in the UK and then export to Europe,” Mr Gifford said.
“Plus, with the amount of EVs that are likely to be sold, it’s pretty crucial for the supply of raw materials that we don’t wholly depend on imports.”
Dr Paul Anderson, co-director of the Birmingham Centre for Strategic Elements and Critical Materials, said current recycling facilities also produced large amounts of CO2 to process the materials.
“Ultimately, that route is not the decarbonised decommissioning that we are after to bring about the zero-emissions future that we want,” he said.
He added that the UK would need to step up its metal recycling facilities to match its green ambitions across industry and energy production.
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Yes, it looks as though Orkneys and Shetlands are well organised. Some places seem to be much better provided for than others. I should have thought targeting high polluted areas, such as Manchester, Leeds, Bristol Etc.... would have been a priority, encourage more take up of EVs.
Edit: interesting indeed Steve. It’s glaringly obvious that much of the rhetoric being spouted isn’t backed up by much in the way of strategic planning and necessary investment sadly. As a nation we are being badly let down by the decision makers, which makes it an uphill struggle to get the ordinary person committed, no matter how much they want to go green.
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Scotland seem to be fairer, I wonder if the North could get independence?🤔. What was the rallying cry-there is no North South divide🤣🤣🤣. Even in EV charge points it seems there is🙄
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Talking to a mate while walking the dog this morning who works for 'the electric board' .... even if we all had an EV, the electrical infrastructure just does not have the capacity to charge them all ..... it's already only just coping. So Boris could say we all have to use EVs next week ..... it's not going to happen any day/week/year soon.
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Our time will come Rocky. Where else will they choose to locate the ugly recycling plants............👍 under the guise of “job opportunities” of course. 😉
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t is just what i have posted several times ,with information from a neighbour engineer with national grid ,,he did also say the the massive outage last year in North London was a sign of things to come with the huge increases in power consumption at peak times,without what the greenies want
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Thanks for the input JV🤷🏻♂️
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Hyde park👍🏻
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Here you are a JV. As you subscribe to “Southern Life”, here’s “Northern Life” to get that total “blinkered” outlook😂
https://northernlifemagazine.co.uk/10-differences-between-northerners-and-southerners/
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
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and you are the last to plug in and at the end of the queue for your bucket of electric .... in the morning your car battery is still flat. No idea about your street, but at the week end when most people are at home, there are hundreds of cars around & about locally to me - there are 5 cars at our house alone. If they all needed just an hour on charge, it'll take a very long time to charge them all .... assuming there is the electrical capacity.
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Don’t tell me-someone in your family has a degree in Soilology👍🏻
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There’s a leaked document online(tappingnosewithindexfingerconspiritoriallyemoji) that suggest if tarquin from Sinclair,Thomas & Jones associates, London doesn’t have enough electric for his coffee machine Derbyshire will be unplugged from the Grid. Problem solved👍🏻
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Earlier this year National Grid stated that energy use had dropped by 16% since 2002. Switching to EV’s will increase power requirement by 10% so the net result is still a total power requirement less than it was 18 years ago. EV peak demand will be managed by smart home chargers which will soon be compulsory for new installations.
For anybody contemplating switching to an EV, off-peak electricity is one third of the normal rate and will result in a ‘fuel’ cost of just over 1p per mile. There is no car tax at present, insurance is about the same and maintenance lower (only 20 moving parts on my car).
GM have just stated that they are investing $21 billion in EVs and expect that within 5 years the cost will be the same as a combustion engine car and range will be up to 450 miles. In 10 years; who knows?0 -
and, as above, from someone who has no vested interest & manages electric for a living says that we're doomed ..... there's barely enough capacity now, let alone when we all have an EV. All very well having smart chargers if you've not enough electric to manage/distribute.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of electric car/etc .... but a lot more needs to happen before it'll work. Maybe we should re-introduce trolly buses ... it might be a start. (they were way before my time 😉)
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Interesting that NG aresaying less power is being used when the massive power outage last year that blacked out large areas on North London including the railway OHL was down to more power than the supply could cope with
Also the railway OHL needs millions more spent on upgrading the ECML between Newcastle and Edinborough to have enough power to enable trains to use electric power where some now have to be ICE powered to stop a power outage
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