2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold
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Are you including Hinkley Point C, RR, as I understand that's due for completion in 2025 after approx 7 years of construction work?
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Our MP is Grant Shapps and I and others in this area, have been in correspondence with both him and our local council as to what plans are being made to enable large areas of the borough to have access to conveniant charging facilities, to make it more viable for the majority to have an EV, with the amount of terraced properties without access means of charging them
We have not had any positive replies from anybody ,but as we have concluded by the correspondence so far recieved , is that huge amounts of infrastucture investment will have to be made to get anywhere near what HMG is "hoping" ?will make it a viable target of 2030 for the build of new ICE vehicles to stop production,
And for this area as many other with the same types of housing it is going to be "very disruptive"
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How much dosh are we going to throw at this only to find that hydrogen fuel cells are "really" the future and we end up 'behind the curve'?
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I agree with your sentiments completely, Cyberyacht. HMG of whatever colour seem to have an inability to think things through thoroughly, but have the ability of dismissing the thinking and projections and concerns of the real experts and sometimes the opinions of the public.
As for your earlier comment about looking to buy a new diesel powered tow-car in about 2025, I think you are about right. It's what I will be doing, give or take a year or so.
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Thank you Airborne for the most rational, reasoned and sensible post in this entire thread (all of which I have read).
It is clear that there are no answers available at the moment. We have a Government which leads by slogan and dictat. Not a plan in sight.
Vehicle manufacturers cannot produce ICE vehicles up to 31 December 2029, DavidKlyne, and then instantaneously exhaust all stock and offer only EVs.
I currently have a caravan which I purchased new in 1992. It is now, for various reasons, reaching the end of its touring life. Should I purchase another? I think not as it appears rather uncertain that I will be able to use it for another 28 years. Therefore that is one caravan less that the industry will need to produce next year. Are there others like me? Probably, therefore a few, or perhaps many, new caravans which will not be needed.
How long will this reduction in demand take to destroy the caravan industry? Not long, methinks.
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Just another point that was "slipped out" recently, when we had the first lockdown in this country , air pollution levels dropped by only 10% even though very little road/air transport was moving
And our Mr Shapps drives a Tesla? and has just had the new "green badged" number plates fitted at one of our local service centres and with "big" publicity with it
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Am I wrong in thinking that a hydrogen powered car is still and electric car? All the hydrogen does is provide power, via a fuel cell, to create electricity? Some of the things I have read suggest that currently hydrogen is not very efficient in cost terms at creating power viz a viz a conventionally charged EV? Also the cost of producing hydrogen in the first place is greater than that of producing electricity. Obviously all these things will change in time as the technology evolves.
David
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When out on our first morning walk today,a "group" of dogwalkers all socially distanced (dogs excepted) got to discussing EVs ,one man a retired CEGB engineer, was quite sure that the idea of using lamp posts as charging points,was not viable in many places as the supply wiring to them would be so old it would "collapse" with the stress of what some EVs need to charge ,, ,and if many lamp posts were so modified the whole system would give up
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Brogan
The bottom line is, will the Government change its mind viz a viz the change to EV only production? I tend to agree that it could be an important moment for the caravan industry, it will be interesting to see how they respond. What the caravan industry will have to do is to adapt which might mean lighter and not so well equipped caravans for purely touring purposes. (the reason I posted the link that Airborne seemed to object to) Maybe there will be more of a moved towards seasonal type caravanning rather than touring? I suspect motorhoming will be in a better position to survive the change. At my age I would like to think that in ten years time I would still be able to motorhome!!! I just wonder how many people are reconsidering the hobby as a result of COVID and the very limited use leisure vehicles have had over the past year and probably into 2021?
David
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I think you need to give the source for those stats JVB.
You also previously mentioned concerns about charging in places where charge points are not easily available. The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically. Comments being made on here now only relate to the present but we can keep an eye on research and developments that look feasible in the future. One of them is charging strips in the roads.
There are a handful of people who post on CT who have hybrid cars which is a step towards the future. A couple of us have EVs, no complaints, especially on running costs which have been minimal.
What we haven't got yet is a reasonably priced EV which can tow and we don't seem to have any input from caravan manufacturers on the subject.
Commercial vans can now run on electric, so motorhomes will probably be part of this advancement.
JVB why not ask the caravan industry what is happening?
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How long will this reduction in demand take to destroy the caravan industry? Not long, methinks.
I agree with David (DK) I think the motorhome stands a better chance of being the tourer of the future than the caravan. While currently there is a £20,000 premium on such vehicles that may not be the case in the future and prices may well settle at or near those of current ICE vehicles. Manufacturers making just caravans are more likely to fall by the wayside than those with motorhomes in their stable.
As far as towing is concerned, hydrogen powered vehicles are a red herring. They are no more capable at towing than a pure battery powered vehicle.
FYI new housing is being built with EV charging points and off street charging areas.
peedee
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The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically.
I am sure they will have changed dramatically in 10 years. However, this will not apply to the second hand market of older EV's many of who's owners will be living in the type of housing that JVB was referring to. The older vehicles will still take a significant time to charge, even on fast chargers. So not really practical to visit the charging station as you would the fuel station if driving an ice alternative.
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The polution level stat was by a Cambridge Uni climate expert on our local news ,he has probably now been "black balled" by those who hoped to give "marketing facts?"
When an EV can tow a caravan as our 2ltr diesel sportage ,about 400miles on a tankfull of fuel and take 5mins to to refill at a pump then it may be viable for many?
A hybrid is as near as one can get but are as those with them admit if honest are not that economic as they are, I think? petrol ICE
we have two Mitsubishi hybrids in our road and the owner of one admits the battery is getting "tired" and needs charging more often,as it is used for mostly shorter journeys and has no direct access to his house (as many in this garden city as not designed with cars in mind)so has to park on a grassed public space to get to charge it
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+1, Diesels engines have been around for 90 years so to make any fair & meaningful comparisons we’d need to be into the 22nd century👍🏻
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Hinkley C is in the process of construction. It's way beyond the discussion/planning stage and is a work in progress employing hundreds/thousands of construction workers.
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Great decision to replace nuclear with coal….. Saint Merkels’ halo definitely slipped since the Ukraine invasion. My German wife is embarrassed with the behaviour of her country. Our friends in Germany just think the Stolz govt have so lost the plot. And all they can do is talk about banning the admittedly dangerous AfD instead of listening to voters concerns.
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What a jolly good idea. I hope something similar is introduced in the UK.
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