When the lockdown ends

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  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #512

    He will have my Email when he gets home surprised,he lives not far from uswink 

    He has also had one from me urging him to bite the bullet and cancell HS2 now that the much vaunted "extra capacity" according to his experts? will not now be required for many years ,if at all and put the money towards this countries now huge debts,

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #513

    and have you ever thought he might just be one of the few guys we will really need when lock down ends and we need some blue sky thinking to get this country back on its feet, if we had gotten rid of all the arrogant people in this world , the world would be a much worse place than it is today.

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #514

    Rufs - just a question, why did Cummings not suggest his, presumably virus free, sister/niece travel to London to support him? Wouldn't that have avoided all this furore? undecided

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #515

    Wouldn't that have avoided all this furore?

    I doubt it - does anybody think that it would? Where the Cummings stayed they had separate accommodation already available

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2020 #516

    People in power very often choose to misuse that power, or justify it because they are considered more important than others. I don’t care what political persuasions such people are, it is not the way to uphold fairness and accountability. 

    We have become so used to public figures doing the wrong thing that it has become almost the norm. They get away with it, time and time again. 

    Never lose sight of the fact that these individuals are put into positions of trust by the electorate, and as such, are accountable to the electorate. Cummings wasn’t elected, but chosen by the PM to be his go to advisor, pulling most of the strings, making most of the decisions behind the scenes. Just who he is accountable to is a very big question, he appears to pull the PMs strings, disregard police advice, disregard Chief Medical officers advice. And he thought he was rather good at hiding his actions as well, until he got caught out. 

     

     

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #517

    Do you really think it would have hit the news in the same way (or at all)  then, Alan?  undecided

  • Phil n Tracy
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    edited May 2020 #518

    Boris has a reputation of being very intelligent. I am sure he can find an answer to our problems with other members of his team. My view is to support our own industries, farmers and country in whatever way we can. 

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #519

    cant answer that, dont know the  circumstances that his sister/niece were in at that particular time...

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #520

    Well their circumstances were, apparently, sufficient to offer to help care for his son. So what do you think? Wouldn't it have been wiser for one of them to travel to London to do so? 

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #521

    Having watch how the press operate ...... yes. Would it have been more justifiable in your eyes M or are you suggesting that 'what the eyes don't see the heart don't grieve' 

  • Rufs
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    Cummings wasn’t elected, but chosen by the PM to be his go to advisor, pulling most of the strings, making most of the decisions behind the scenes. Just who he is accountable to is a very big question, he appears to pull the PMs strings, disregard police advice, disregard Chief Medical officers advice.

    so just because he is a non-conformist we chuck him under a bus

    do you have anybody else in mind to replace him right now, bearing in mind that we are going to need many like him who think out of the box to get us up and running again 

  • Rufs
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    No...they may have had family of their own that they did not want to leave behind , and at that time i would have thought anywhere but London is where i would have wanted to be undecided we just dont know the true circumstances and people are making it up as they go along, yes he did not abide by the rules, yes it should be made plain to him that his is not acceptable, but chuck him under a bus, no way 

  • moulesy
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    What I'm suggesting,  as I suspect you actually realise,  is that it would have been wiser, and, thinking about it cynically, far easier to justify, a healthy person travelling rather than someone already showing symptoms of the virus.

    At the end of the day, whether one supports his actions  or not, the fact that they so blatantly undermine the government's message means that he should go, either voluntarily or by his boss' decision.

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  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #526

    A tad hasty David wink

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #527

    "They may have had family of their own that they did not want to leave behind ,"

    So instead they invite someone who already has the virus to travel the length of the country to join them? undecided

  • Rufs
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    so have you got anybody else in mind that maybe replace him, maybe somebody from a previous power that threw the keys to the treasury at the incoming chancellor and said "sorry we have spent all the money" undecided  we need to crack on not spend what is going to be days wrangling over a misdemeanor obviously reported by somebody who was out to do what i said "chuck him under a bus", and what does it achieve, people of all walks of life, you, me, politicians will still break the rules. 

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #529

    No comment, you, me , uncle tom cobbly do not know the full circumstances

  • moulesy
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    You seem to think it's a party political think, Rufs - it's not. It's about common decency and, as for your repeated "have you anyone else in mind" question, just remember no one is indispensable. The government, whether one supports them or not,  is full of intelligent able professionals and to suggest it would all fall apart if one individual were to go is an insult to them surely?

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  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #533

    I am not saying the guy is indispensable, what i am saying that in my opinion he is a valued member of the current governments think tank, and yes we can replace him but at what cost and for what, something that might i suggest we have all done during this present crisis and that is not follow the guidelines/instructions to the letter of the law, yes he is a senior public figure but might i suggest lots of senior public figures have not followed guidelines/instructions to the letter of the law and they still sit in office.

    As for a political thing, all i want is for somebody to get us up and running again as a county. The people voted for the current government and we have to get behind the people in power and the people assisting the people in power, otherwise we will remain a locked down country, simple really

     

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2020 #534

    Allow me to give that a huge +1.

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #535

    Well we're clearly not going to agree on this Rufs, and that's fine, everyone is entitled to express their opinion and at least the last few pages on this subject have remained respectful which is more than can be said for earlier parts of the thread.  smile

    I take it you won't be complaining any more, though, about the hordes of visitors you have in your part of the world? wink

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #536

    well that is your choice, i believe it is perfectly within the rules to see your family in a public place, e.g. out walking providing you keep to social distancing, so you really do not need to deprive yourself of this pleasure.

    as for reporting on here, i only try to highlight how guidelines/rules are being broken and how foolish this maybe, in fact judging by recent figures some of what i have seen possibly was not all bad and that getting out in the sunshine and fresh air has proved beneficial, long may it continue, hopefully.

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2020 #537

    He is not a member of the government, he is an employee.  Should all the people who have been stopped or investigated by the police be sacked or resign, of course not.  We shouldn’t forget that there was a 70+ year old politician kept going to parliament at the start of the lockdown,  the advice was that 70 plus were at great risk, and the press virtually ignored it

  • Rufs
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    always hold my hand up when i might have got it wrong, look what i just posted

    as for reporting on here, i only try to highlight how guidelines/rules are being broken and how foolish this maybe, in fact judging by recent figures some of what i have seen possibly was not all bad and that getting out in the sunshine and fresh air has proved beneficial, long may it continue, hopefully

    enjoy the sunshine, stay safe

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #539

    No, presumably her parents said you can isolate here without coming into contact and the sister/whatever was available to look after the child if needed.

    Had the sister gone down to London would she have needed separate accommodation/kitchen to isolate from Cummings and co? If so do you think that the press would not have picked up on that? 

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2020 #540

    Except of course he didn’t ‘set up’ the rules he isn’t a politician so isn’t part of the government

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