When the lockdown ends
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got no truck with muscle flexing if they really are devolved....but theyre not, only devolved from the bits they want to be devolved from...
wouldnt it be lovely to see one or the other...Scotland/Wales/NI either standing on their own two feet (including financially) or not...either way is fine..
fudge was never my favourite chocolate bar..
also, i didn't see any press hysteria, just one or two putting two and two together and making a couple of hundred...
really, was this 'easement' ever going to be anything other than very gentle, controlled and monitored?
off to the beach sunbathing on Sunday?
i dont know how many times the medical folk at the lectern have to tell us we are a long way off getting through this...obviously, at least once more for some (journalists/editors)...
im afraid theres no winning here, damned if restrictions are eased (ye gods have you seen the number of recent cases...) and damned if you don't (come on the R is at 0.5-0.9)....
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They(all 3 countries) are wrestling with their own decisions. They are devolved to make their own decisions JV. I doubt BJ will be swayed by anyone tbh. Neither will Wales or Scotland.
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I don't understand your point about being in opposition? Wales and Scotland are devolved administrations on some things they do not have to follow what Westminster does they have their own authority. The real issue is that England doesn't have a devolved administration which it should have and then a National Government could just be that.
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"also, i didn't see any press hysteria, just one or two putting two and two together and making a couple of hundred"
BB - I don't buy newspapers, but I do look on the BBC news website every day where they show the front pages. On Thursday it was, almost without exception, as if we were all going to be released from lockdown as from Monday - not just the sensationalist tabloids, even the broadsheets were full of it. Take a look back if you can, I think the word "hysteria" is a pretty fair summary of what I was reading, you might choose a different word - that's life!
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Sadly, they won’t be able to close their borders if they do make devolved decisions. The difference in cases and deaths between the home countries is as startling as that between regions of England. I find it interesting that places like Germany, with regional governance appear better organised.
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just compare the population densities of the nations and specifically the number of large cities...London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Bristol, Nottingham, Leicester etc to Swansea/CardiffNewport (1m between them out of a total of just over 3m) and Glasgow/Endinburgh (again just over 1m between them out of 5.5m).
Englands population of 55+m is 10 times that of scotland (but only 1.6 times the land area) and 18 times that of Wales (but only 6.5 times the land area)....
i'm not really surprised there is variation in the CV effect..
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But as i think we all know that no matter what the incumbant government of the UK is ,,"opposition?"that comes from the mini countries"devolved governments? mostly paid for out of central govenment funds ,, have and stiil do normally think if they were in power could always do better
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And even Germans are now going back on what was loosened with their lockdown
Nobody really knows how to deal with the virus and its fallout
IMHO Borris is/was hoping to get some idea from coutnries that have eased their lockdowns ,But with the reports coming in they are still wondering if they have got it right
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Our local waste centres are opening up from Monday next week. Odd and even car regs on designated days! We have decided not to attempt a visit for at least a month, can't be bothered with long queues etc and we'll see by then if it's working ok. It will be nice to get rid of an old bed stored outside just now...etc. Household green refuse starts again on Monday. Garden centres open with limited access on Wednesday, the uk is gradually moving as one? We won't need the garden centre for a while but there will be many who'll enjoy the visit and the drive out. Hope this all works out ok, it's a small start.
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Absolutely right, a small step but a very welcome one. The other interesting point made in Wales was that authorities would be asked to look at ways in which libraries could be re-opened. If supermarkets and garden centres can operate with social distancing, one out one in or whatever, it must surely be possible to do that for libraries too?
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Having driven OH down to shop at Aldi yesterday, I would not like to see much relaxation of the rules, it looks like there are already enough people not sticking to them.
A LOT more cars on the road than a week ago, but fortunately Aldi was not busy, no queue outside. Only OH went in, I went for a short walk then waited outside for her, trying to keep away from people walking past me at less than 2m, and a crowd of teenagers who were meeting up for a chat.
Inside the store, OH said it was not crowded, but still she found a few pushing past or coming too close while grabbing stuff off shelves. All were young male shoppers rushing round with baskets, obviously invincible!
Up where we stay, the roads are still very quiet, and we see only the odd family or couple out for a walk, it is totally different down in the village.
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I think a lot of younger people are becoming complacent, Kjell.
My brother in law phoned last night and mentioned that a fight had broken out in his local supermarket, people initially arguing about distancing then it got out of hand.Nothing so exciting in Burnley, thankfully 😱
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Just listening to Grant Shapps - transport secretary - giving the daily briefing. Lots of new money for walking / cycling - great; protect public transport for key workers - very sensible; encourage many of those who have been working from home to continue doing so - absolutely understandable.
So, how about saving a great wodge of now increasingly scarce government cash by scrapping an increasingly irrelevant HS2?
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Well, we made a calculated decision today. Dog walking, our exercise. We decided to drive for ten minutes, park up close to where we used to stable our horse, and do a rural woodland walk from there. I think we saw around ten other folks who in total, all in the distance. It was absolutely lovely, and such a change. As we arrived home, police helicopter was circling Park and the huge sports fields our other side, so I am guessing both were heaving. We are having exceptional weather here, 26-27c today, so folks are out in droves, walking, cycling. The Park was not the place to be. Not that much traffic though, M1 was very quiet, normally nose to tail at weekends this time of year.
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More folk out and about here and its not even nice weather.
I try not to read the papers or take to much notice of what is said on the news, far to much hype and 'fake news' going around.
I saw the headline of one daily paper 'Scotland to close the border' police will turn back vehicles from the south. What a lot of rubbish, that will not happen the papers just like to stir up the gullible
Scotland (Nicola) is not for relaxing the lockdown here due to the R rate, I think she said we are a week or so behind England.
Depending on what Boris says on Sunday though, she could have a lot of resistance from the public here. There are some who are just not taking any notice anymore and some who are just wanting to get back to work.
I very much doubt if the schools up here will open again before the return in August. Its only 6 weeks until they are due to break for the summer hols.
I have wondered if they would return earlier this year due to all the time they have had off but I guess that won't happen either, as it would create havoc with the half terms and Christmas hols.
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What lock down? there were more folks out sun bathing and picnicking and walking in "family?" groups than ever when out with Rosa at 1700 today, the road from our house to the open country was again bereft of cars that must have been out on "essential" journeys
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Same here JVB66 : next door neighbours had son and daughter in law and grandkids over for a barbecue. She is a carer (employed by nhs) and he's a retired fireman so you'd expect them to know better.....its tough to keep sticking to the "rules" when they are being blatantly flouted but daughter has pointed out that it's a moral choice and at least we know we will have been on the right side ethically when it's all over😊
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Where we live (6 bungalows)
2 folk are over 93 years of age living alone and staying indoors.
1 couple are working but their kids and Gkids come and see them a couple of times a week.
Next door to us the man is working but wife and kids are at home, her Mum lives 3 doors up and pops along most days for a visit.
We go out for a walk/cycle most days in the countryside, once a week we do our shopping, we try hard not to let folk get to close to us but its getting harder in the shops.
Social distancing and non essential travel seems to have gone out the window.
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No JV, we ALL don’t know, there will be quite a lot that don’t buy into the whole “mini countries” thing. A lot of us know the “mini countries”(plus Cornwall) are the original & last bastions of the ancient Britons. It is the rest of us who are the odd ones out👍🏻
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Never mind, you'll catch up.
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Where we live (shabby old farmhouse on the edge of the moor) ...
Nicky got stuff from M&S and came round for a chat, Carol had £140 of meat from the butcher in town and distributed it, tne Tesco truck has just been here and I walked down the lane to spread out other people's share, Shelby has a Waitrose delivery due on Tuesday and asked what we needed but all our three freezers are full, Michelle went for a walk by herself on the moor while Roger came to sit in the garden and eat our ice cream,
I got drunk.
Quite a normal non lockdown day.
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Ahead of the game here, JV. You obviously didn’t understand Rocky's post. I'll leave you to reflect.
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whoops, I goofed here TW-I’ve Deleted User😊
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Ok JV👍🏻
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No worries👍
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