A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars
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We have just come back from Ferry Meadows and were pitched (for OH) as near facilities as possible ,which if you know the site we were opposite the MC service point so it is was quite noticable ,in fact a lady had a real go at one owner about just that ,thanking him for doing his bit for the enviroment
ps motor movers are king when pitching
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How very dare you!!! Are you Greta in a MH?
Us new caravanners are ahead of the game with our solar charged leisure batteries powering our motor movers. None of that pumping out cleaner air than the front taken in in this tug, it's diseasel Euro 6, don't you know nuffinck
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Funny that as it always surprises me as to how some folk don't bother using their motor movers when clearly they ought too. Don't they cost around 1k? I'd never have a go at a fellow member mind when witnessing the likes although I'd have difficulty raising that eyebrow.
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But that number of aircraft are so much fewer than the number of cars going to and from those airfields, and causing a lot less pollution at the same time, as those cars.
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Have seen plenty of M/Hs running their engines to clear their internally damp Windows after a cold night, and many that run their engine for many minutes before setting off.
On a different topic, if Norway can be fully operational for only electronic cars in 5 yrs surely we can be the same in 3 times as long, can't we?
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What is the point of using a motor mover on a big wide caravan club site pitch. Why go through all the faff of open battery box turn on key, get out mover brace engage mover position caravan at a snails pace, then go through it all in reverse when you can just reverse the caravan onto the pitch with the car.
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Good point, although they have 50% EVs not 100%. Norway has a population focussed around the main towns with not much in between whereas the UK has large areas which are thinly populated, nevertheless, the Norwegians have shown what is achievable in a fairly short time period. Of course, they know all about providing electricity for cars as it is common to see an electrical point at each parking space to plug into the oil heater (low power).
By the way, the characteristics of electrical motors are ideal for towing as there is enormous torque compared with combustion engines. It is difficult to describe how much better an EV is to drive than a petrol or diesel car. For anybody who has never driven one, if given the opportunity please try it. For the non-believers I can only say that you would never, ever, consider going back to an ICE car after owning an EV.
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Perhaps they should invest in a silver screen. We have not had a MH long but had several nights close to zero last March and the cab windows remained dry. On a cool night in October I did not bother with the outside screen, just used the internal blinds, and it was dripping. They took ages to dry off, with a cloth.☹️
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I read the news from Norway regularly, even they are starting to worry now about overloading the grid, and not having enough electricity overall. At the moment, the electricity is almost exclusively produced by water power, and all of the larger and easier to develop sites have now been developed.
They also say they will need to introduce a smart system for charging vehicle batteries, mainly overnight, rather than people coming home and all plugging in their cars at the same time causing power cuts.
To encourage people to buy EVs, the tax on them was reduced, and they were not charged any road tolls or parking charges, but now that perk is being withdrawn and people are not happy!
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'When clearly they ought to' were the words I used. I've even seen them on big wide caravan club site pitches take several attempts and still drive all over the grass making a right muddy mess. Now if you can reverse skilfully without why not? Practice else where, my dad took me to a building site one Sunday, they had just put the roads in.
Now back to the topic. Is it time to start metering electricity use to encourage us all to be more frugal and thus paying our way for any excessive use?
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i think the government should introduce pay-as-you-go driving, e.g. you pay a tax by mileage, that would make people think twice about taking the kids to school in the car when a short walk would be more beneficial, or popping out for a newspaper.
IMO this would probably reduce polliution significantly, it is a known fact that vehicles chug out the most pollution when they are running cold. If insurance companies can fit black boxes to track your every move it cant be rocket science for these boxes to be linked to some sort of charging system. The london congestgion charge runs on similar lines.
If a scheme like this was introduced nationwide it would probably cut down on the pollution levels and extend the use of diesel/petrol vehicles, after all, has anybody thought of how we are going to dispose of the millions of vehicles on the road at present or the carbon emmissions that will be generated in carrying out this work.
In the UK i only cover approx 5k miles per annum, where possible i cycle, walk or use my bus pass but i still pay the same tax as somebody covering 20k per annum
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+1, Fair taxation now there’s an oxymoron for sure👍🏻. That’s a fair view of the future👏🏻👏🏻
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This not an entirely new idea as road pricing was a project of the last Labour Government. The raison d'etre was slightly different in that it was mainly to do with congestion and fees charged would be governed by time of day and routes. The charging could be infinitely variable so that people driving on minor roads could be charged less and the time of travel could also have an impact. The problem back then was that there was a petition which around 2 million people signed and the idea was dropped. No reason why the same idea could not be employed as a way of rationing the amount of driving we do. The problem is that a lot of us on this forum are of a certain age and our annual mileages are probably quite modest so we would be hit the least. But it is worthy of consideration. I don't think I would object.
David
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Yes, demographics can dictate decisions. Now here's a wild one, how about a maximum age for voting when issues being addressed will not impact on certain sections. After all, we have a minimum age, which strangely enough was higher in some parts of the UK in a recent 'vote'!
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do you mean in place of the current car tax or additionally to it?
We still need roads and they need to be maintained and lit up at night and other costs, if a pay as you go per mile system alone comes in then the income for that maintenance and lighting might reduce too much? Then what happens? Perhaps a lower car tax plus PAYG? Discounts for more passengers as well? Bit like the club's pitch fee plus person price?
Wouldn't bother me to be honest as I'd still use the cars as I need. And yes I do walk more than most I would think.
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no change there then
yesterday i cycled round Gosport carrying out a local car parking survey for a local disabled charity, what struck me was the number of cars parked on the pavement and how congested certain areas were, particularly where there is terraced housing, so what happens when we have gone all electric, you arrive home from work and you have to park 200 metres down the road, how do you charge your car ?.I should say, before we start a discussion re pavement parking, that in my local area the council recognise the parking difficulties in the area and are reasonably tolerant of this practice provided you leave sufficient room on the pavement for mobility scooters etc to pass.
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