A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #92

    Very much so, but then as your first comment, the older generations mostly have the common sense by then, where as those who have just received their degree/s have to learn about real life from then onsurprised

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #93

    do you mean in place of the current car tax or additionally to it?

    you could make a nominal charge maybe payable to the local council for road upkeep etc , but have you thought of where the government will get the tax revenue currently collected on petrol/diesel when we have gone electric, no doubt increase the price of electricity undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #94

    Our area is mostly terraced housing and neither our council or local MP  (the transport sec)can answer the question of how can EVs get access to charging points undecided

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #95

    do you mean in place of the current car tax or additionally to it? 

    the government are loosing millions anyway by way of tax dodgers since they scapped the paper discs.

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  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #97

    so what happens when we have gone all electric, you arrive home from work and you have to park 200 metres down the road, how do you charge your car ?

    At a charging station

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2020 #98

    Apparently they can break promises as Mr Johnson has proved. I believe he was taken to court & it was thrown out🤷🏻‍♂️. Manifestos mean nothing🙄☹️

  • DSB
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    edited February 2020 #99

    Perhaps we will see a whole lot of large vans pulling caravans......

    David

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2020 #100

    Good gracious, I've met some very switched on younger adults, many who never went to uni or did a degree, some who ignored the 'advice' of older generations and have done particularly well for themselves and others.

    This whole topic, the OP, is long term and needs fresh, innovative thought. Yes, we should learn from the past, often probably how not to do things.

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #101

    How many outlets and or charging stations are there to be? there are 180 mostly terraced houses in our road alone .,and the majority have at least one car and several have 4 or moreundecided

    The majority have to park with one side wheels on the now very damaged grass verges as if parked with all wheels on the road there would not be enough width for other traffic to get bysurprised

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #102

    oh! great, so there will be a bun fight to get to the nearest charging station, and who wants to stand around for 15 - 30 mins waiting for your car to charge when you could be indoors watching Corrie laughing

  • Cornersteady
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    edited February 2020 #103

    so local councils would pay for motorways? And a nominal charge would cover 2000+ miles of motorways

    I have not thought about as when that happens I doubt I will care either way, but again if you think the current system is unfair then increasing electricity prices for all to pay for those that drive appears equally unfair?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2020 #104

    No difference to metered Electric, you take responsibility for your own actions. The polluters pay more as in the more you use the more you pay whichever fuel it is👍🏻

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2020 #105

    There is an article in today's Telegraph that reports a study carried out on the plug in hybrid variety (515 over 6 months) Returned figures 2.5 to 3 times worse in real world driving than the official ones. So only 42 mpg as against 137 mpg for BMW. Other manufactures returned similar figures. In fact as they were often driven with the battery depleted they returned worse figures than the corresponding non hybrid, due to their extra weight. One concern in the case of those used by company drivers, is that they might not bother to fill the battery at home, preferring to put fuel in on the company card.

    Perhaps explains why they are being treated in the same way as pure ICE vehicles.

  • Metheven
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    edited February 2020 #106

    Really those who have nowhere to park their car on their property, should not have a car. The road or pavement is not a carpark.

     

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  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #108

    Nah, when everybody leaves work the charging stations will be too busy. You go online and book a slot. The NPR cameras will let you charge provided you arrive at the right time. You will pay by the minute for parking in your slot whether you use the full time that you paid for or not. After your allocated time slot power delivery will stop. 

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  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #110

    Help!!! i am stuck in traffic, my battery is running low and i cant get to my charging point on time, undecidedgreat idea and i am sure there are thousands of people out there doing their own blue sky thinking , but i cant help thinking in trying to save the planet we will only make things worse.

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #111

    Help!!! i am stuck in traffic, my battery is running low and i cant get to my charging point on time,

    I thought the same wink Maybe bookable only off peak. laughing

     

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #112

    I think you should try that one again at the end of next monthcool

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2020 #113

    I think you are probably right David. Transported to a site once and left there, I think the club are already doing this, Experience Freedom, they call it!

    It would appear that this is one of their solutions to the dilemma we face regarding removal of ICE cars. Future proofing!

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #114

    That would take millions of cars/vans off the roads then,and a big hole in the chancellors income,?

    might help with getting pitches on sites as wellwink

    It was on the news this morning that the government is going to put £150 million pounds into bus services with Cornwall getting a chunk to get  better rural services and £50 million to a city (to be anounced) to convert to all electric bus services in the city,but it will need ICE vehicles for out of city and hilly areas as batt power is not feasable for those routes

     

  • Metheven
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    edited February 2020 #115

    That would take millions of cars/vans off the roads then,and a big hole in the chancellors income,?

    Could help stop traffic jams, lower pollution levels, get on yer bike more, fitness levels go up, less trips to the Doctor, and yes more choice in pitches laughing. It's time to say "sorry but you do not qualify for vehicle ownership", to stop playing with kid gloves and be more authoritarian innocent

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2020 #116

    I think these were hybrid busses. Note -these are not cars and not subject to that 2035 'target'! A small step in the right direction!

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #117

    If you have been in London in recent years they have had Hybrid buses for some years,but it is very noticeable when  on board that most of the time the ICE is continualy runningsurprised

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #118

    Another post for end of next monthwink or a bit like a polition on the losing end of an electioncool

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  • mickysf
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    edited February 2020 #120

    Recent years, history! Things are moving, technologies evolving and decisions being made. Faster than some wish, not fast enough for others but all in the right direction.

     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51296312

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #121

    We were, at that point, talking about what those living in terraced property where you often have to take whatever space is left would do. I said a charging station. 

    But I wonder what call there is at present for Dedicated Electric Recovery rather than a low loader.