A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars
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I would agree here in the UK it is totally feasible to ban the sale of newly built diesel cars and petrol ice cars by 2035, but only here in the UK.
I don't see any great difficulties in factories switching to assembling EVs, nor scientist and engineers making a good fist of it, that's not IMO the problem area.
Where the feasibility is going to be much more challenged here in the UK is to get the powering infrastructure in place by 2035.
If as seems to be the tram railed route is actually to power EVs by batteries, then its the provision of the recharging infrastructure, where I see the feasibility failings.
I simply can't see the provision to recharge streets after street of bumper to bumper parked cars, being recharged, then or anytime afterwards. Physically putting in the charging points, and routing adequate sized cabling, almost certainly underground in very high density dwelling areas.How is that sector of our society to be involved, or is it simply not going to be viable for these residence to have access as we presently know it, to a vehicle?
Rural homes like ours with the ability to park several vehicles off road are a different less challenging case, and upping the overhead cabling far easier. But being rural I expect these are the areas where a vehicle will remain a neccessity, rather than an indulgence as there public transport is only a dream.
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Nowhere in this debate has the old wartime query "Is your journey really necessary ?" been raised. Whilst I acknowledge that our hobby will obviously draw the answer "no", I am always amazed, on my perambulations around the country, at the number of cars on major trunk roads at all times of the day. Are they all travelling salesmen?
Does there need to be a greater attention within the business community to the requirements for staff to crisscross the country when, with the availability of video conferencing and other similar technologies , they could be significantly reduced?
That only addresses part of the problem. The other major one is commuting and is more difficult to solve. Over my working life, I have been fortunate in never having to travel much over 10 miles to work. The work/home issue is, of course, complicated by housing cost and the jobs of all the household occupants. It's a big old problem, of which ICE pollution is only a part.
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There is in this town, a quite big housing complex hoping to be built on what was a large factory complex (Shreaded Wheat the biggest) but when the developers (Tesco Estates ,who had decided not to build another store
), were questioned about vehicle parking spaces , 900units with spaces for about 300 vehicles,their reply was as there is a railway station,and good bus services,close by and the town centre,was only 600mtrs over the railway via a footbridge, the need would not be there?, although there is not a school or doctors/dentist within over half a mile of the proposed development,
,Are they living in the real world or have they been "advised "of what is in the pipeline from HMG
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I agree to a great extent with ocsid but I'm still very sceptical about the whole issue. Whilst car manufacturers might be able to change to EV vehicles it is a matter of whether the EVs that they are changing to are developed enough, the batteries in particular. Can the supply of the necessary components, many of which are sourced elsewhere in the world, be up to the same speed especially if other countries are trying to change to EVs in a similar time-frame?
The infrastructure for charging is going to require many roads to be dug up for new cables to be laid. This will not be an overnight job. How many snags are going to be encountered along the way. Just as an example, a new Lidl store was built up the road from us. This was finished in October 2019 but it still isn't open because the power supply to the site was found to be not big enough. It's due to open sometime in March but that is 5 months to sort just one 'snag'.
Many of us, I'm sure will own and use a car but still use public transport at times. I use the bus to go into town, a half hour journey of three miles, (by car 15 minutes or 10 on a good day). We had a bus service that ran every 20 minutes, now it is every 30 minutes unless it is cancelled which it often is. Buses have to have tyres inflated so hard that they may as well be solid but the roads are in such poor state that it feels as though my teeth are dropping out by the time I get to town. Not much encouragement to use the bus.
The bottom line is that there are many, many big issues that MUST be sorted and firm, detailed and carefully examined plans put in place before a wholesale change to the way we travel about.
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Here in MK we have a plan for 2050 which, if it happens, would double the size to a population of 500000. Part of that plan is to introduce a Rapid Transport system. Central Milton Keynes currently has around 20000 parking places and the plan would reduce that number. We also have one of the greatest concentrations of charging points in the country so I think we are well placed to tackle the wider use of LV's. In fairness it is much easier to introduce such technology because everything is new so we don't have the restraints that many traditional towns and cities have and we often get Government money to experiment. One thing that puzzles me about Government policy re the sale of petrol and diesel cars is that they seem to be making no effort to make the cost of running such vehicles more expensive by adding more tax to fuel. If there was one thing that would really start to make people think about changing to an electric car it would be running costs. They could use VED, which they already do for some vehicles, but it is a blunt instrument especially for low mileage users.
David
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See where your coming from David but surely the way to go is to significantly reduce the price of new EV's.
Incidentally I wonder if the governments decision to bring forward the date to stop manufacturing petrol/diesel cars has anything to do with the fact that Hyundai are proposing to build and operate a EV plant in the UK, me cynical - No
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Talking of VED since the DVLA in their "wisdom?"thought they couls save millions by doing away with tax discs,the amount of lost revenue has far outweighed what they though they could save ,as unless the vehicle is picked up by anpr cameras there is no visual means now of traffic/ wardens or other of knowing the status of vehicles,according to our local police ,a much higher volume of vehicles are also now classed as "off the road"
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No-one is going to rush out for an electric car if they want to travel any distance based on that video.
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It's a lovely looking car but very pricy. Probably only fit for urban commutes in traffic. Longer distances may be better to take bus or train.
With regard to hybrids, some other posts here have explained why they are being included in the proposed 2035 legislation. I now get that.
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Oneputt
Thanks for posting. I knew very little about electric cars and how they performed before watching the video. I appreciated the simple and clear method of presentation. It does illustrate that we seem to be a long way away from EV's being a simple replacement for conventionally fueled cars. The different charging plugs smack of VCR V Betamax!!! OK I accept that a lot will change before the proposed 2035 point at which fossil fueled cars will cease to be made but I really do wonder if we are even longer away from electric towcars? It does make you wonder if we will witness the gradual demise of caravanning. Motorhomes are probably equally doubtful, especially if there remains such a price difference. From what he was saying at the end of the video are the Government wise to abandon Hybrid vehicles?
David
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Primarily it demonstrates a lack of commitment to infrastructure, let alone the ability to generate the power required.
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Yes, we could end up like the Cubans after the USA ceased supplying spares for all the US made cars there. Make do and Mend to keep our diesel Towcars and Motorhomes going past 2035.
I only ceased using my 1988 Autosleeper a few years ago.And it still had plenty of life left in it, when I sold it at only 73, 000 miles !
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Interesting video in which, of course, he chose the worst case scenarios. Motorway driving at low temperatures; not good. ChargeMaster/Polar are a subscription service - don’t use. Ecotricity (EH) are pants. So, once you get to know the networks there are plenty of rapid chargers with contactless credit card payment, particularly Instavolt, BP garages etc.
Having said that I have to agree that the charging infrastructure is rubbish. On the other hand, how many people have a 200 mile commute? If you do then maybe a Tesla is a better buy.
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It’s actually a concession because it was due to be scrapped altogether.
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I have had two VW Tourans. My first (54-plate) is owned by a relative and still looks and runs like new, so is into the time bracket you mention. I now have a 2017 VW Caravelle 2-litre diesel. It has a Euro 6 engine with DPF and Adblue tank. Far from being a polluter, it meets all the latest inner city regulations and is free of restrictions in these zones.
Yes, I agree that global warming and clean air must be taken seriously, but whilst air travel is in regular use, and collectively a much bigger polluter than cars, I do not feel guilty for having an ICE engine.
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