A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars
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There is not sufficiently joined up thinking at Government, local and national, level to address the issue that we will face. It also will not be cheap. Getting re-elected trumps all other considerations and increased costs for Joe Public is not a vote winner.
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+1👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻, death & taxes are guarantees-everything else is debatable. . .Including Govt’s honouring promises/decisions. I reserve the right to suspend all credulity when dealing with Govt depts.
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A thought crossed my mind yesterday, what will happen with police patrol cars that are on the road pretty well 24/7. Will they need to double the fleet so that some will be being charged whilst the others are out on patrol? The same would probably be the case with paramedic cars as well.
I can visualise the scenario of a police chase towards the end of a shift. Burglar Bill in an oldish ICE car, plod in his electric one. "We'll have to let him get away, we don't have enough power to chase him down and then return to the police station" Oops !
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The case for extra electric emegency vehicles to be on charge to change over when Batts are getting low is already the case with bus companies ,we have note them in Harrogate and the P&R s in York,and the charging point at Harrogate is Big
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Don’t ruin the pie in the sky dreams by introducing logic & intelligence🤷🏻♂️, what is wrong with you😂😂😂
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Gosh.......you see police patrol cars where you live?😲😂
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this has been a very good post with some very innovative ideas, however, could i politely suggest that by the time all this comes to fruition the only thing most of us posting regularly on this forum, will be driving around in/on is a mobility scooter, and then we will be complaining about all the hazards of having electric cables trailing out across the pavements as people charge up their EV's.
Might just make an investment in a company that manufacture hazard cones, bound to be a lot of these in circulation when we go all electric.
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As posted up thread, Open Hydro was a successful demonstrator of the technology. One unit powered Nova Scotia for several years. Lessons learned are being developed in other demonstrators around the UK currently. Anglesey is a promising start.
The main issues around OH were it was was very old technology in terms of the 'turbine' and basically not suited to sub sea deployment. 2 universities dreamed it up without looking sideways to other industries. Secondly it had no yaw capability to fine tune the position to the deep water flow and suffered stresses leading to wear.
Not a bad start in difficult to fund research. Masdar the emiratee sovereign wealth fund is behind a lot of research in renewables and beyond oil.
As with lots of things in terms of edge of knowledge it takes bravery to step in. Evidence floating wind turbines, originally Hy-Wind developed by Statoil the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund vehicle set up to use oil and gas revenues, now being commercially operated by equinor. Deep water offshore wind turbines to 15MW. There is a 15MW Samsung turbine. Next best is GE Halliade-x at 11MW, technology from acquisition of Alstom. Vestas and SiemensGamesa are close to 11MW. Deeper water, further offshore are to capture more constant wind conditions. 1 11 MW turbine will power 16,000 homes. Blade length is up to 104m, to give you an idea of scale. So 104x2 is the circle, add 30m to clear the largest wave, add 80m water depth, the nacelle weighs 350tonnes. Proper engineering.
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Re-generation on long distance downhill conveyor systems up to 14 miles started by a 4 cylinder diseasel engine through a 3 reduction gearbox, get it rolling, dump ore and away you go generating 4.8 MW have been running for decades in India, Jamaica and Venezuela. No fancy PLC control subject to failure of cheap Chinese tat boards or dry joints used.
There is nothing new under the sun, just adaptations of proven engineering.
Fascinating topic.
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A thought crossed my mind yesterday, what will happen with police patrol cars that are on the road pretty well 24/7. Will they need to double the fleet so that some will be being charged whilst the others are out on patrol? The same would probably be the case with paramedic cars as well.
Probably a bit like pony express, drop one steed of at a stagepost to be fed and watered and jump onto the next.
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Tell that to my Mum!😁 90 and still using her legs up and down stairs, walking around towns. It’s the trip hazards that get her, so she’s fine with an arm to hold out of the house. I think the fact that her and Dad never owned a car have kept her legs functioning so long. She doesn’t go fast, but she does get there!
Its going to be a very interesting next few years to see how and what changes come about. But it won’t be removing ICE vehicles alone that brings about positive changes, and I don’t think UK can do it in isolation.
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I saw two yesterday by coincidence. One was stopping traffic getting off A1 at Blyth, which was a bit strange, as the other was some four miles further up the carriageway towards Clumber Park and had halted both lanes by a huge smash. The tail back South was a good ten miles😱
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We see police vehicles on most days ,getting lunches at our local Co oP , we can be sure of at least one on the last Thursday of every month, when we have a meeting, with them and the local council +neighbor hood watch at our local pub as there is free tea/coffee by the landlord and buns and bickies from the co,op
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Tell that to my Mum!😁 90 and still using her legs up and down stairs, walking around towns. It’s the trip hazards that get her, so she’s fine with an arm to hold out of the house
told you investment in hazard cones was a good idea
into my 70's but still cycle approx 40 miles (not electric) per week as well as walking dog so well prepared for the demise of the ICE, but i do have 2xreplacement knees, and 2x trapeziectomy, hips next 
. Will not be getting rid of caravan anytime soon as use it mainly over there and as a guest airbnb, only relatives/close friends0 -
Not electric?, excellent👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Can you see yourself getting a battery assisted bike in the future R?🤔
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i wonder what the ratio of power/capacity is which enables a shared powered legs/electric bike to do 60km in extremely hilly, twisty territory (as a group of is have today) and an electric vehicle to propel one person over the same route?
my battery is 400wh and had 2/5 of it remaining at the end...so (say) 250wh used....any one know?
ok, I cant tow a caravan, nor will my bike battery power a MH, but for getting about, even in arduous terrain, it seems to be as good a mode as any....
ok, not in the rain, lol!
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i wonder what the ratio of power/capacity is which enables a shared powered legs/electric bike to do 60km in extremely hilly, twisty territory
I did the "round Hampshire Harbours" cycle event for the British Heart foundation, covered 43 miles in 3 hrs and part of the ride was up Portsdown hill, not so clever going up but topping 45-50 miles per hr on the downward stretch, all leg power, no idea how much power, i can only say i was somewhat knackered at the end .
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I get puffed cycling back from Port Solent if there's a headwind and that's on the flat. My SIL is a keen cyclist who delights in doing some of the TdF ascents. We are planning to do a race up Portsdown hill with my E-bike against his muscles. It could be close.
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I wondered because I like the flat but love MTB’ing in the Forest. If I struggle as I get older I may accept the need for a battery assisted mode to continue cycling. Gladly it’s a ways off yet. I wish you well R it’s a great feeling is cycling(battery less)👍🏻😊
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Meanwhile, I admit I've not read all 205 messages, so please forgive me if you've discussed this already, but the stretch I have read doesn't include anyone commenting that the present gov't is very much fonder of looking good than actually putting plans in place to achieve the window-dressing. It's been said by those close to him that the PM "doesn't get" climate change.
Attenborough and Thunberg are right, we do need to change, and we need to be able to buy the stuff to do it with. (As well as the flying less part, which TW and I both marked "+1" about a much earlier post!)
The technology needs a huge lift - posts I saw about inadequate infrastructure, batteries, etc, seemed very much to the point.
It'll be great if this announcement actually does result in useful funding going the right way, and it won't 'arf concentrate the minds of the manufacturers, who will fight all the way to the edge and beyond.
But I just can't help feeling cynical, based on the evidence so far, of HMG's serious commitment beyond words and confectionary.0 -
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I haven't read all the post either but the general drift seems to be pessimistic rather than optimistic. There are a number of projects in trend, any one of them could provide answers. I did notice a post about the lack of power when the wind doesn't blow. The same could be said of solar arrays when the sun doesn't shine. There is a lot going on to try and store power when in excess for use later when required.
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