LPG pumps on campsites
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As much as it would be convenient for those of us with refillable tanks, LPG has had its day. I heve even heard that new housing will no longer be fitted with gas central heating.
Not sure that the ban on gas heating on new properties is yet in place. I know that it is due to happen. Just checked ad a BBC news Item in March 2019 said:
'Gas heating for new houses will be banned by 2025, the Chancellor has said, although gas hobs will still be allowed.
The homes will keep warm with devices such as heat pumps and with “world-leading” insulation standards.
It's part of a bid by Philip Hammond to address the concerns of children protesting about climate change.'
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But then as the club is for all members not one section ,why copy what mainland Europe does where motor caravans in such a large area of land (compared to these tiny islands )have so much space and caravans are not allowed to use the facilties,
And as you state are paying hansomly for which includes a stay on site, I am sure you can do that on both major clubs in the UK,
How much take up is the ccc charging for off readers to use their facilties?
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How much take up is the ccc charging for off readers to use their facilties?
I suspect that you meant what is the take up of off-roaders using CMC 3 hour stop to use facilities for £7.30. I know that only some of the CCC sites provide for this. (you edited
)I think that if I was in a motorhome in good weather I would just as soon pay an extra £12 and stay the night.
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Whilst there might be a few sites where just using the services would be practical, at the vast majority it would not. For instance Moreton in the Marsh. The MH facilities are well imbedded in an already tight site. The same applies to gas. Tanks are normally located near the facilities. Unless new ones were installed near the entrance,at great expense, it would again mean driving round the site. Perhaps it could be considered at any new or major refurbishments of sites, if space permits. Although given the need for all these EV chargers, space is likely to be at a premium.
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obviously, ccc has a different mindset re allowing non-staying members on to a site and the perceived 'inconvenience' of having the occasional 'outsider' van stopping at the MHSP.
Personally, i think £7.30 is a bit steep to use a MHSP especially as things like washing machines/dryers will be charged for additionally.
however, it might be whats needed to get the chores done and sort the fresh/waste water....in which case folk need to take their own view on cost...
however, thay can then can still go off somewhere else....why does 'good weather' encourage one to stay on a club site, there might much nicer free places, best seen in 'good weather'...
Re filling at the linked site and 'H&S', it may just to ensure that customers (thats a novel word in a thread like this) are only filling bone fide tanks/bottles and not other 'frowned on' types...
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Re filling at the linked site and 'H&S', it may just to ensure that customers (thats a novel word in a thread like this) are only filling bone fide tanks/bottles and not other 'frowned on' types...
I know they are fairly safe BB. However having an unattended pump, even if a key had to be obtained from reception, would probably be not an acceptable H&S risk on a campsite, even if tanks / bottles were the permitted type.
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however, thay can then can still go off somewhere else....why does 'good weather' encourage one to stay on a club site, there might much nicer free places, best seen in 'good weather'...
I didn't say 'one' I said 'I'. If I was staying somewhere that lacked the required facilities and was, presumably moving to one also lacking I might avail myself, in good weather, of doing some washing, setting up the drying whirlygig and going off site somewhere. If I was using non facility sites (and hence the need for facilities) I might also choose to stay over on a non EHU grass pitch and shower the next morning. As it would cost me only an extra £12 to stay over it might be my choice
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It's mostly members who use club sites as in other places you would be a "customer posiibly"
Your point about "supervising "filling of gas tanks ,would be a requirement of any highly flamable liquids as the cctv on fuel stations , maybe that's another reason that fuel stations are doing away wth LPG ,whereas in other areas I would expect some one to be there , in the Uk, do not know how prolific LPG pumps are on mainland europe sites? as we have not been for some years other than being taken by tour companies, mabe you or others who go can advise
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"-- do not know how prolific LPG pumps are on mainland europe sites?"
We use several French sites every year and have done for nearing 40 years, however I have yet to notice an LPG pump provided on their sites. Invariably the sites are those discounted via ACSI.
Is it a case of not seeing what is there?
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I know they are fairly safe BB. However having an unattended pump, even if a key had to be obtained from reception, would probably be not an acceptable H&S risk on a campsite, even if tanks / bottles were the permitted type.
Without an overview there would be no check on what was filled
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"Without an overview there would be no check on what was filled"
Absolutely, there could always be the client who decides to take along their adaptor and top up a Calor etc bottle.
Who would ever insure the club against the risks a free for all LPG refilling provision could present; count me out of underwriting that one.
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All you nay sayers and doom merchant. I’m surprised that any of you dare get out of bed each day.
No idea why you should say that DD. It is not the concerns of the users that we are talking about. Your previous company would obviously have assessed the risks and decided that there were no substantial risks in allowing their (already trained) employees to carry out the task. They were also certain that no unsuitable containers would be filled with any of the fuels on offer.
Somebody (CMC) supplying this service to unknown members of the public might come to a different conclusion when doing their risk assessment. They might also decide that such a provision held little merit for the majority of their site users
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All you nay sayers and doom merchant. I’m surprised that any of you dare get out of bed each day.
i dont think i am in this category DD, however, i have to say, without being disrespectful, that i have seen some, lets say older folk on sites, who cannot put their LV over a grid correctly to empty their water tank, the thought of them filling a gas tank and in turn using say a credit card system to pay for the gas does not bode well in my book, and i speak from experience, on my last visit to a site, i had to not just help, but carry out the task for a very nice gentleman who was having great difficulty, admittedly grid in ground was not best placed, and the tap on the MH was in a very akward position, but the thought of him dealing with a gas fill up leads me to believe that there could be some H&S issues and possibly yet another job for the wardens. I know if they have such a system that they undoubtedly have to fill it somewhere, but in my opinion that should be a garage forecourt or similar.
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Do folk who fill up with gas in a fuel stn have it done by an attendant?🤔
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Mostly, no. 👍🏻
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probably not, but at least the attendant and all the safety devices you would need are readily available, imagine how upset you would be if you had to wait at reception for 15 minutes or so whilst the warden was out fulfilling their duties as Forecourt Attendant
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I don't think having the task carried out is being suggested, just that the filling is monitored. This is very easy in a filling station where it is close to the kiosk and also monitored on CCTV. On a CC site even if monitored by cameras, unless a seperate system is installed, the gas tank is often a long way from reception.
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So how do they cope if it was possible to goof up?, I’m not understanding the issues, surely there will be safety devices factored in on the pumping systems during manufacture?🤔
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So-replicate the very easy monitoring on C&MC sites🤷🏻♂️
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In your post, about this case you actually said that some one else more Competant has need to be there at times, and that is "with what you say?" With regular staff Competant enough afterwards to use it unsupervised, so how would that pan out on camp sites when there is a member of the public wanting to use the LPG pump and not known as most would be to the site staff
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and who is to say the club will not install an "incompetently designed and installed" LPG fill point. From what i have seen on sites, the LPG tanks are not normally near reception or in a position where they can be monitored easily, and although the system your company had installed probably worked very well, I dont see such a system being viable on a club site, but not having an LPG fillable system I will let those that have argue the merits/demerits, i see another long post in the offing . I seem to recall this has been milked before ?
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