LPG pumps on campsites

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #62

    I feel for those who bought a motor caravan that, as most have waste outlets, designed by clowns who have never used the vehicle so fitted as most sites any where in the UK it seems have waste disposal for motor caravans far worse than the old types as fitted before the expensive modifications , as you will no dought have tried to use at Bingham Grangesurprised 

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #63

    But is it just the lack of use that filling stations are withdrawing LPG pumps or because of other problems that they may have hadsurprised

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #64

    What move the tanks or receptioncool

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #65

    There certainly are. DD has explained the 'dead man's handle' type of device which cuts off the supply. Also the pump nozzle has to be locked onto the filler pipe to avoid spillage and the tanks/bottles being filled have an auto cut off at 80% full - a level beyond which they should never be filled to leave room for expansion.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #66

    Lack of use apparently. All the more reason to back the provision of LPG pumps elsewhere.👍🏻

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  • ocsid
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    edited January 2020 #68

    "The system is actually designed to be fail safe. Unless a proper connection is made it won't work and stepping away from the pump, i.e. releasing the button, immediately cuts the gas flow."

    Can you explain how the fail safe design suses out the container to be filled retains a healthy percentage liquid expansion gas void?

    I have in mind the penny pincher with his cheap internet purchased or home made adaptor and Calor bottle.

    Then there is detecting if the container is one rated for propane's vapour pressures?

    "Doom merchant" yes, but based on a professional life of thinking, "what if", because on many projects lives depended on our team doing just that.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2020 #69

    Thanks👍🏻, there ya go then it’s sorted👍🏻. This thread can be locked now. . .Next😂😂

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2020 #70

    As I posted, unless a separate gas tank was installed outside reception, the pump could be 100 metres or more away. Not really conducive to a rapid response in the event of a problem.

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2020 #71

    As the club is very very unlikely to install this system,this whole thread is academic cool

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #72

    As is the case with a lot of threads.🤷🏻‍♂️

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #74

    There are various valve systems in use to prevent filling bottles & tanks beyond 80%, Ocsid, so it’s difficult to cover the rather complex subject here but see the link for info.

    https://www.propane101.com/opdcylindervalves.htm

    As for the penny pincher scenario and the correct rating issue, those are the reasons for inspection by a trained competent person before filling is allowed.

     

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2020 #75

    As the CAMC don't believe their customers are able to manage the intricacies of booking a hardstanding I'm sure they were never trust their members to fill a gas bottle.  laughing

  • Rufs
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    edited January 2020 #76

    As for the penny pincher scenario and the correct rating issue, those are the reasons for inspection by a trained competent person before filling is allowed

    sorry if this is dumb, but who do you envisage being the competent person on the club site ???

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #79

    At the present time, no one.

     

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2020 #80

    agree, mostly no....

    but, although i havent used it (yet), the nearest LPG station to this site has an attendant who fills for his customers, its just part of the service.

    ive also had attended diesel filling here in Spain...

    i dont know of any campsite (anywhere) I've been on that has its own LPG pump and the idea of CC taking something like this on seems totally out of character, despite the example of the linked campsite with one and the positive first line of the club reply.....

    which, of course, was immediately reversed in the second onewink

  • Rufs
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    edited January 2020 #81

    ok so as suggested by others the whole idea is a non starter, but i do like DD s business ideacool

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2020 #82

    ....or worse, be waiting at the LPG pump while the warden was cleaning the toiletswink

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2020 #83

    The fact that no one is probably currently trained doesn’t in itself make the idea a non-starter, Rufs. Training is available and if the club has the will……

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2020 #84

    what was the timescale for the roll out of decent MHSP across the club network?....20+ years i seem to recall...

    so the chance of getting something like this moving is just a smidge less than none...

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2020 #85

    The time scale has been updated to “four score years and ten” cool

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2020 #86

    I don’t think there is a will working for the club cool

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #87

    But with the decline of the requirement to use oil derived products,  The use of LPG will become less economic to refine,  so why should any one put large amounts of money into more infrastructures ,for a declining market

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #88

    Very short as it seems that others are not following their lead , 

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #89

    As would any company not Competant in such installations ,with the appropriate qualifications , hence the large growth in recent years of outsourcing by all companies to those who do

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2020 #90

    From what I’ve read I think the risk averse attitude(to the minutiae) of some members, I’m willing to agree with them👍🏻

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