LPG pumps on campsites
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Then it presents the Club with ensuring LPG powered vehicles can't access it to evade the fuel tax, that loophole if left might be exploited by some.
Though IMO the tax relief savings would fade into total insignificance to the provision and running cost the Club would have to shoulder, if not passing it on to the users. In a large part the idea falls down on the very low volume sales there ever could be, to site users. Put vehicle tax on it and invite all the areas taxi in it makes more cost sense, but do we want that on site?
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But until there would be a feasible case for making another large investment in infrastructure which IMHO is at the moment not a case to answer as it would only be for a very small minority of UK users as I very much dought that many caravan users in the UK are very refillable cylinder users and as posted by others who travel elsewhere there Is no known sites with LPG pumps as there is ample it seems other suppliers of cheap gas, which in this country seems are not req by companies removing them, and as already posted how many do not plug in on sites in the uk, so are useing very small amounts of gas
Ps we did 216 nights away on site last year and our 6kg calor propane has been on over a year
Pps the post i answered quite truthfully having had first hand experiance of motor caravan waste outlets was to answer question? in the post
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I am quite expecting some one to complain as to when staying with their motor caravan on a site that is "rural" the club do not have transport available "free or very cheap"because they as it seems more often now ,that they "have to move" if needing to go out any where
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"It could be said that exchange cylinders etc"
Just to "advise you" The exchange calor cylinders are not a service the club gives to members
The gas cylinders that can exchanged on sites are a service to members, that the site staff pay for out of their own pockets to the local calor gas supplier at large cost, to get a stock of assorted sizes to sell to the site users, and there is no legal requirement for this service, but they do it as it a small supplement to boost their not high saleries , with as being a sub supplier no where near the profit margins of where they are supplied from
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I can’t speak for domestic lpg, but I can assure you that vehicles using lpg were great value for money. We recouped the installation of our first system within months. It was around £2000 at the time, it was on a Jeep Cherokee 4.0 litre. We never paid more than half the price of diesel or petrol, and it was more like a third of the price. So we ran a thirsty powerful tug at a great price. So much so, we converted our second Jeep, a 4.0 litre Wrangler as well. It’s a cheap fuel. The downside is if you are touring, you have to get organised to know where fill up stations are. Hence my remark about this being a bonus had it been around the last twenty years. We still have a good few fill up stations around home, but I do know some of those we did use around UK have now gone. If MH manufacturers are putting in refillable tanks, then there’s obviously a market?
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In the far distant future it may be something to think about spending large money installing pumps, but it may well have to be a complete system including add tanks as the "domestic supplies"on sites are filled at set times as per the dailey consumption ,where as it could not be a calculated delivery date (at add cost) with the vagaries of pump use by vehicles tanks
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If MH manufacturers are putting in refillable tanks, then there’s obviously a market?
Not sure just how big that is though. 15 years ago when I would go to our local fuel station there as often a car refuelling with LPG. Can't remember when last I saw that there. A large number of motorhomes on CMC sites rarely move off pitch except to get water/dump. so I doubt that they will use much gas. Yes there are plenty of other motorhomes but I doubt that the rise in tanks on motorhomes and refillable bottles makes up for the loss of sales to car/van LPG converted vehicles in most areas of the UK.
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For caravanners using clubs' sites and main sites with EHU I doubt that may would faff with refillable unless using many non EHU pitches.
For motorhomes with tanks on board they could obviously benefit as with those that spend a lot of time off pitch when I presume that during the summer they will run the fridge when parked up.
Those that stay on pitch with mounted tanks might well top up but given the amount of those that pitch with EHU the number of sales might be high but the volume low
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Probably an historic situation. If it was run by the club it would still need the wardens involvement. Personally as long as the wardens are happy to provide the service I am content to use it.
I suppose the same could be said about ice creams and other items sold
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The reason many PVC motorhomes are being fitted with fixed tanks is to save space, a gas bottle 'cupboard' requires drop vents and ideally should be metal lined. All this takes away from internal space. The loss of bulk LPG filling stations is because the Government ceasing tax incentives for LPG converted petrol engined cars and vans.
Unfortunately Calor doesnt seem very intrested in chasing the low weight gas bottle market, all this is working against the PVC makers fitting fixed tanks AND by the way Safe weight loading in front gas cupboard Caravans...too high noseweight.
BUT should CMC fit LPG tanks, to sell to members ? No. its not the clubs remit. too legally and safety complicated.
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It seems to be something we do not have any figures for.
We have refillables as we were going abroad for long trips and needed to be able to replenish gas supplies. We cannot be the only caravanners in that position.
But we do get through at least 6kg of gas a year, even in U.K., even though always having EHU, so it is a good saving over exchanging Calor bottles.
We have "inherited" Calor and Camping Gaz bottles, so have never had to buy one from scratch, but if one did, it would make financial sense to consider investing in a refillable from the outset.
No faff involved as I do not even have to remove the bottles for filling, and have had no problem getting our van to an LPG pump en route between sites.
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My PVC motorhome, an Autotrail was produced before they started fitting fixed tanks as standard, I was dissapointed about that at first, but now realise,that bearing in mind how little gas I use, it is one less problem. Our Fridge is a Webasto 12v compressor type, so doesnt have a gas option. So I fitted a 2nd leisure battery for the odd nights spent away from ehu.
I think ultimately that PVC converters, Autosleeper and Autotrail (and all the Trigano variants) will have to start fitting gas cupboards again, as all the bulk sellers of LPG slowly dissapear. So, no, dont think CMC should start selling bulk LPG. Even the exchange of Calor cylinders is a site based Warden service, not run by the Club directly.
PVC panel van conversion.
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But we do get through at least 6kg of gas a year, even in U.K., even though always having EHU, so it is a good saving over exchanging Calor bottles.
I would not dream of fitting a system to a caravan as I do not usually stop for fuel when towing - maybe once every 4 years. The other option would be safefill or similar.
We use about 6kg of gas a year. With that sort of usage it would make no sense for me. We actually carry two 3.9kg Calor. Last refill was £16.50 amd so at that price £33 a year. Even if that was £40 a year and pump gas half the price of calor it would take 8 years to break even. Also with having two bottles I have a standby.
For me a definite faff Kj taking a bottle off site to fill rather than driving to site reception. Even if starting from scratch and paying £80 rental for two bottles I would choose the calor option for our level of gas usage and the ease.
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There are many other converters fitting LPG tanks to MHs and, along with the fixed refillable systems on caravans and those who use removable refillable cylinders, this amounts to a fair number of LV-ers who will experience difficulties if LPG pumps vanish completely from garage forecourts.
It's the increasing scarcity of pumps which prompted the sticky thread detailing filling points. Should we stick our heads in the sand or should we do what we can to encourage an increase in the number of LPG pumps? I can understand that some folk have no interest as they think it doesn’t affect them but one day they too might buy an LV with a refillable system.
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Before I posted about the use of LPG pumps ,I did have a look at co versions and it seems with the ones in this country only AS seem to have them on some conversions, or expensive extras,as it seems other UK converters , as with "safefill"the cost of the set up is not financialy viable I would think with the ammount of gas who use club sites get through,and with the conversation I have had today when ordering our new paper for tomorrow,, It seems that the use of gas by members on sites has got less in recent years, as LVs have got much more EHU reliant
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Did you not check Wildax, IH, AT on their V-line range and on their Tribute van conversions, JV?
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What has that to do with it? I think you’re wriggling now.
An LPG tank is an LPG tank whether fitted to a high end or budget LV and both require filling when empty.
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Not a wriggle but as with all things the more bells and whistles the more it can be made more attractive to the "must haves" even if not needed, and also with PVC conversions it saves having to cut another hole for the portable cylinders unless as some they are inside 3.9 or 907 size
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I’ve got an LPG tank so does that make me a 'must have'? Gee, thanks, JV.🙄
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Passenger airbags are often non-standard items on commercial vehicles, Easy.
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at my "update"