Have CAMC over priced some sites

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited August 2019 #482

    Thanks for that. I thought the trains might be weekend only. Wouldn’t be riding, just viewing. Leave the seats for the families. That’s a good deal from Club, would only be the two of us....perhaps when it’s warmer.

  • Oneputt
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    edited August 2019 #483

    Your absolutely right BB and I long for the day when we can shed our commitments then it’s Greece here we come.  

    The only reason I bang on about high season is because often times when discussing club prices we hear how cheap it is over there when the reality is we aren’t comparing like for like.  

    Due to our limited timescale we are moving on every 3 nights.  Even when touring in the UK we often move every 3 or 4 days.  

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited August 2019 #485

    What did the site on the other side of the Chanel have that the club site didn't?

  • Justus2
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    edited August 2019 #486

    I agree, but in any case we never use a site in order to "take advantage of a discount ".. Like many we have other commitments, aged mothers, grandchildren duties, other appointments etc.  and our trips are geared up to fit in between these other commitments. If we chance upon a midweek discount then that's a bonus but as ever, sites needs to be below £25 per night for us or they don't even get considered as an option, and if it's below £20, better still. 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited August 2019 #487

    A saving of about £5 per night apparently apart from any other fragrant benefits. wink

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #488

    It is not like for like David as one is in UK and the other presumably in France

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #489

    So anybody going across for a month would pay an additional £150 (minimum guess) for ferries and so £5 a night. Plus insurances.

    In truth you cannot judge the relative costs of sites in UK by comparison with sites in other countries if you want to tour within UK

  • Cornersteady
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    edited August 2019 #490

    A very good point and a huge difference. We have no idea if the two sites were exactly the same but being in different countries does make a difference.

    An excellent example of this is fuel, according to autotraveller this month petrol costs 1.38 euros over here while France 1.52, Germany 1.38, Italy 1.59, Netherlands 1.77. Now that is a like for like product isn't it, yet different prices, why? The economies of different countries? No I'm sure people will come on and state they pay no where near those prices but it would seem fuel is cheaper here? Or at least there is a range of prices for the same product in different countries.

    The thing is though, is that those are the prices set (fuel and sites) you can go on about like for like all you want and ask why but if you want to buy them, that's the price you have to pay?

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #491

    we never use a site in order to "take advantage of a discount ".

    I wonder how many do Justus. We don't and will pay an average of about £25 

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  • Justus2
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    edited August 2019 #493

    Easy T... The thread is about club sites becoming too expensive, and as far as I can see there are those on here who are willing to pay far more than you or I would ever currently pay, or at least pay on average... yet we both go away for a significant number of nights each year. This is achieved, certainly in our case by careful choosing of sites / dates. Several have said they have an upper price limit on what they will pay per night.

    I am left wondering, that of those club sites with vacancies in peak periods, are members ( as I do ), avoiding those sites on price  and finding something cheaper ?  Or are they not going away at all to avoid busier periods completely ? Or perhaps they go away for fewer nights to control the amount spent per year ? 

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  • young thomas
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    edited August 2019 #498

    as many have already said, David, no comparisonwink

    we have used a site nr Mont St Michel a few times when in the area and it's the sort of site someone new to continental touring could try as its just a two hour dual carriageway, toll free road directly from Cherbourg to the site, so from our home 3.5 hrs driving.....less than our current trip along the south coast.

    the pitches are huge, hedged/private and there are a range of the usual 'facilities'...in fact this site has much more than even the 'usual facilities'.

    from the ACSI website...

    "During low season, between 29-03-2019 - 06-07-2019 and 25-08-2019 - 03-11-2019, the nightly rate is €18,-"

    note that roughly 23 weeks of the 29 weeks that the site is open is available at the discounted rate.

    thats 80% of the available annual days at the discounted price, and that includes weekends, special holidays etc which fall in that discounted period.

    no 'spikes' every Friday night, no hiking up prices every bank holiday (for a week either side)....just peak 'period' or not.

    this isn't one of JVB's loss leader 2 week introductory offer, this is one of main differences between continental touring prices and that of the clubs.

    a four week stay now (peak is finishing there) would be just under £500 plus £280 for our return ferry is £780.

    as an example (and we were in the areas) to do the same on the Brighton site (similar driving/fuel costs) would be 28 nights at the September price of £26.90.....(it's just over over £35 at the moment) would be £753.

    of course, the French site is equally expensive in their peak, but the peak is short and anyone staying more than four weeks would see the cost benefit swing more towards the French stay.

    so touring overseas definitely doesn't have to be as prohibitively 'expensive' as some suggest.

    we've had a good week away so far, and are now on a new site for a further week, and the weather has picked up and it's great cycling here, but would I rather have popped over.....?

    yes, but we only had two weeks and I left the passports at home....frown

  • young thomas
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    edited August 2019 #499

    less than a euro a litre in some Spanish garages on our spring trip (Alcampo supermarket...)wink

  • Rufs
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    edited August 2019 #500

    why ???? posts just turn into ramblings by a few, what has type of fuel and price got to do with this post ??????

     

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #501

    It is not that we strive to avoid more expensive sites Justus and do pay the odd bank holiday price whether on a non club site or one of the two clubs. We do get age discount with C&CC and use some of their clubs but as we tour we take it as it comes. I think that the dearest was around £27 and The prices that we paid this year are all bookings made in November last year and prices have increased since. I expect to pay more next year on average across a range of sites. Two Non facility CC sites have kept the price down at under £16 average as has a CL at £18. We just scraped at £25. 

    We will however exceed that in our 15 night December break as we will be at Southport I think as per last 7 years. for 10 of the 15 nights the price will be £31 which I consider steep although we shall no doubt use a fair bit of leccy! There are other sites but none a well placed for us or as desirable. 

    If we wanted to keep prices down we would perhaps use more C&CC sites and grass pitches too as well as more CLs although the CLs that I might use would probably come in at £18 to £20.

    Financially, as a couple we are fortunate. OH was a teacher but retired early through ill health. after a couple of years she took up some low paying jobs. When we first became an Item 20 years ago she was out of work for 12 months. It means however that we are independent financially in one sense. She had capital when she sold her house  15 years ago and she, with my prompting, has increased that so that she could move out if she wished - she doesn't wink

    Our joint household/holiday/meals budget is significantly less than our retirement incomes, small investment returns (I play safe these days) and State pensions. Our annual household budget is only around £17K and so not a lot in the scheme of things with 120 nights away and all household bills, grass cutting food, insurances, dental and vehicle costs etc. 

    Our caravans and car purchases however have not come from this budget as we have both chipped in half when buying. If I lived alone I suspect that I would have to have only a slightly smaller budget but paid for just by me!

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #502

    this is one of main differences between continental touring prices and that of the clubs.

    No BB this is one of the main difference between continental touring and that of UK sites (club or otherwise). 

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #504

    Does anyone really care what it costs to holiday in Europe when the point the op is making concerns the price of some club sites.

    Apparently some do and particularly those that holiday for a couple of months on the continent.wink

    I see little difference between CC and other non club site prices (CLs excepted) and therefore, when available, I prefer CC sites for a number of small reasons that add up for us

  • Rufs
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    edited August 2019 #505

    crikey your brave, but a very good point, and I dont think the club really care about the prices etc overthere, although they do recommend some sites.

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited August 2019 #507

    I agree JK. I tried pages ago to inject some back on thread sense by looking at Middlesbrough. And Bury. Failed miserably, but that was down to me.🤣

    How many of you “over there”  lovers have a holiday over there, in your tourer between November and March? Just curious. Can you tour from site to site? How cheap is it? 

  • moulesy
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    edited August 2019 #508

    David - I have to ask (and whatever you think, it's a genuine question) - if sites "over there" are as good, facility wise, and as great value as you imply, why do you keep returning to the same sites time after time? I accept that you've found sites you like, but surely there are other parts of Croatia/Spain to explore or just relax in? Or is it just that you feel you wouldn't find other sites as good - i.e. sites "over there" are every bit as variable as "over here"?

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited August 2019 #510

    That’s one then WTG😁. Go with the CCC, it makes sense. Agree about October half term, that’s what caught me out last Autumn.