Not stopping but would like to pay to use showers
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OK BB serious question just interested, if you fill one cassette where do you or one store it?
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the CC has gone all political and suggests having a shower at one of their sites means you must be wild camping
Seems a reasonable assumption to me. As for politics .... in areas such as many UK sea sides were wild camping is often seen as a problem why should the CC assist wild campers? Not exactly the way to endear local communities is it?
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Some store them in the motorhome garage; others fit brackets under the m/h designed to hold the spare cassette. I am sure there are other solutions.
I saw this in France and at the time couldn't quite work it out! I hope it's more secure than it looks you wouldn't want to see a full one of these heading towards you on the autoroute
David
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I think the answer you would get is 'location, location, location.'
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...but why not just ask all the wild campers that you know?
In my opinion we need some different terminology. How about Free Campers. Calling folk who park up in some remote location in their luxury MH, with shower, toilet, comfy beds, heating, good cooking facilities, replenish-able electric power etc. wild campers, is just so wrong.
I wild camped in my youth, however it was somewhat more basic. Even the primitive motor caravans of the time would have been a luxury by comparison.😂
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I am happy with the free spirit. I certainly, in the majority of cases, don't think the motivation is cost.
We'll just have to have different definitions BB. As to me it has always meant a basic form of camping. Not taking your own 4 / 5 star hotel along.
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Whats the matter with you people. Some insist on CC sites and nothing else. Others use various sorts. Some of us " wild camp"- term generic for not a recognised site. We are all different. Its nothing to do with cost, going on the cheap etc- just a different way. Perhaps its just jealousy that we dont conform. No we don't pollute, leave litter, empty tanks. When we need facilities etc we pay for it just like everyone else.
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As a youth when we went “wild camping” (with a tent, in a field) the toilet was the great outdoors and we took a trowel. I guess that’s not quite what is meant by wild camping on this thread?
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thats fine, we all have different likes, but for those who do venture a little further or do it 'differently' I don't see a problem as long as everything is left as it should be and no regs are contravened.
Rather difficult in England and Wales BB as there is generally no right to camp anywhere, without the owners permission. All land is owned by someone.
The one exception I know of is the Dartmoor National Park, where "wild camping" is permitted in quite a few areas. I feel safe using the term "wild", as it specifically excludeds MH's and caravans.
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We do have a pair of motorhoming friends who spend a major part of the year finding free Aires etc in France or in places where they don't have to pay. They let out their home as a holiday house, on the coast and that's how they live their lives. We did spot them overnighting in a uk car park once. Not our cup of tea but each to his own. I suspect that the search for free places must be quite time consuming and possibly not quite as safe or even peaceful but some want to do it.
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You've made a couple of good posts on this subject on this thread BB and I agree with you.
Although we rarely "wild camp" we have done occasionally in Scotland, for the location, and act as you suggest, leaving no trace etc. And we've seen vanners tucked away in superb little spots....
The problem comes with the "FLT's"
I've seen (and reported them) climbing over the fence of CC sites to get in the shower block. You see what appear to be long termers in residential streets in some towns, to the fairly obvious annoyance of local residents. And then there are the one(s) who dump their waste on the beach (I'm sure you've seen the thread on MHF).
Like any activity there are the good and the bad. I was recently accused by an old lady of being a "hooligan" after I stopped to speak to a car driver who nearly killed me on my motorbike. She hadn't even seen the incident (it was half a mile down the road), but just assumed cos I was on a bike I must be an idiot....
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I believe that the club is right not to allow their facilities to be used as a dumping/drop in centre, can you imagine the response by full price guests who have to queue for the showers etc.in already overstretched facilities in peak season. M/Homers leaving site and waiting for the queue for dumping waste to diminish. Just imagine the posts from angry from some club members
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CCC have at least understood the issue and how it can partake (it has an appropriate infrastructure) but their prices are way too high, IMHO.
Really! showers for two, possibly four. Use of the laundry. You only pay further if you use the machines, dump and water facilities.
£7 seems quite reasonable IMHO. The couple of aires I have noticed on our travels charged 3€ for 100 litres of water, dumping free. Certainly no showers, or laundry.
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I tend to agree with Oneputt's post above. I've no issue with responsible off site campers but expecting wholesale changes to facilitate their choice to do so seems unreasonable to me. From my experience, many C&CC sites have facilities at or near the entrance which would make it relatively easy for off site campers (note, avoiding the words "wild" or "free" which seem to upset some) to use them without impinging on site users over much. But C&MC sites simply don't have that arrangement. Is anybody seriously expecting the club to spend huge amounts of money redesigning sites for the benefit of a relatively small number of folk who ....er....don't want to stay on site? I don't think that's realistic is it?
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back to the OP, I really don't think that offering a 'shower/dumping' facility encourages any sort of camping....
Why are they calling in to dump / shower then?
I suppose you might get a few from non facility CL's that want to do their washing, or find it easier to dump in site facilities. However, the vast majority would have camped (illegally in England and Wales) elsewhere.
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As a recent switcher from caravan to MH, I have just completed a three week tour of Normandy & Brittany. Three stops were "proper" sites. One night ( just of a late ferry) was tucked down a quiet lane and eight others were MH aires of varying levels of sophistication. The itinerary, if done with a caravan would have involved a far greater mileage, going back and forth to various locations. It could therefore be argued that it reduces the environmental impact.
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“because folk can all do these things when they please, not when they are told to...”
Told to? What an exaggeration!
Is it not true that most people prefer to shower early morning with late afternoon or evening being the next favourite? That’s what causes the queues - nothing to do with the facilities being closed for an hour late morning.
Likewise queues at the MHSP at 10.30 have nothing to do with an out by 12 rule. It’s simply that people want to do things at the same time but if you want to use people’s behaviour as another CAMC bashing tool, be my guest.
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