Family pitch rules not encouraging future members.

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2018 #92

    I think the OP has been honest enough to admit that the terms of a Club seasonal pitch haven't been fully appreciated, and what in fact looked a good deal in comparison to commercial sites, does in fact have more to it than at first is apparent.

    Its a question for HQ really, is some modification of the terms and conditions likely to increase membership, or does the fact that most seasonal pitches are oversubscribed mean leave things as they are? Only HQ will have the answers, they have the brief to take the Club forward, regardless of what current members think. 

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #93

    The seasonal we have booked in the Autumn works out at £5 a night if we stayed on site all the nights we are permitted. I assume because they are such good value, seasonal pitches are often oversubscribed. Why would the CC want to open up what is already a bargain deal to the possibility of abuse. Involving wardens in the difficult business of checking if it was actually family members, or someone using their seasonal as a money making scheme.

    The T&C's are clear enough, either accept them or don't apply. There are plenty out there willing to take your place. Given there popularity and price I find it difficult to believe the CC would consider relaxing the conditions.

     

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #94

    If you were stopped, driving for example, and were suspected of an offence such as no insurance (just to take one of many possibilities) then the police are at liberty to detain you until the can determine your identity. But know you do not need to offer identification. laughing

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #95

    How much of that £5 a night is for the actual pitch Steve and how much is for your usage and EHU? No I don't know either but not very much I suspect. So basically free storage included one could say (whether made use of or not).

  • onepjg
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    edited January 2018 #96

    Absolutely, and they can even hold me in custody for 72 hours, without charge.

    But I don’t think that applies to the CAMC, although I must admit I haven’t read the rule book in its entirety !!

  • Grant705
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    edited January 2018 #97

    then the police are at liberty to detain you until the can determine your identity.

    Don't give the wardens ideas!  laughing

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #98

    The OP said that the portion of the cost that they objected to was the £12 A NIGHT PITCH FEE. As is obvious from what Steve said the payment made by the father includes very little towards pitch fee ..... if anything.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #99

    No the warden cannot detain you. He can however refuse to admit you if he believes that he has reason to do so. laughing

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2018 #100

    So, I'd had better take some identification with me , something like ,driving license, electric bill , council tax bill , photo of me standing next to my front door , photo of me sitting in my front room ,and a signed letter from my dog to say I am her owner wink

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #101

    Indeed the fact that it can stay on site when we are not using it, means we can use the Yaris for our visits. Avoiding the cost of towing with the XTrail. If you add in that saving, you can see why they are so popular.

  • onepjg
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    edited January 2018 #102

    Not me, I’ve got a CAMC card and bank card in matching names, even yours if you lend it to me, so no worries!!! 😂😂😂

  • Grant705
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    edited January 2018 #103

    You could always take the 5th Amendment instead.  sealed

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #104

    I would think the best identification would be your credit card in the same name as the membership card. Whilst some might be prepared to lend the membership card, not many are going to loan their credit card.😉

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2018 #105

    Off topic and joking aside, I carry most of that when we're away in case we need to hire a car. 

    Hire car companies are even fussier than CAMC about checking ID.surprised

  • onepjg
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    edited January 2018 #106

    Anyone who I’d be prepared to lend my van to, I’d be happy to give my credit card, certainly my parents. And without a PIN, it’s not really much use either, other than providing ID for them to check in.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #107

    I can think of people that I would trust with one of my cards  that I would not trust with the caravan smile

  • onepjg
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    edited January 2018 #108

    Now that’s a very good point, and not something I’d thought of. Good tip TW

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2018 #109

    Thanks.

    Check out a couple of hire companies' websites to see exactly what they want. The letter from your dog may not be necessary.laughing

    Most companies can do the online DVLA check for you. 

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2018 #110

    Just looked at enterprise car hire and they want photo ID , and I still have the old type driving license and no passport !surprised, so no car hire for me frown, perhaps time to get that passport cool

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2018 #111

    There's a charge per person to cover an individual's use of site facilities

  • MarknPam
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    edited January 2018 #112

    Exactly the stubborn "we hate change" attitude that will see the club sites dwindle for future families.

    Caravaning won't retain its popularity so long as the people who can encourage newcomers keep defending the rules, rather than look at improving them, and look at ways to move forward... Cos its always been done like that. 

    If you care to read the post again without the blinkers on, the rules I would like to change are the ones where immediate family members require to stay at the same address as the main member, and have possibly two or three named family, requiring photographic identification, who have been registered at the time of the initial season subscription added to the pitch. 

    As I said before, I absolutely don't mind paying for my daily use of services, when on site!

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #113

    MollysMummy - There is no additional charge for the member who has taken the pitch nor for his partner and children. That is included in the seasonal pitch booking along with EHU whilst they are on site and that is why I maintain that little if any of the money relates to the pitch provision itself.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #114

    If you care to read the post again without the blinkers on, the rules I would like to change are the ones where immediate family members require to stay at the same address as the main member, and have possibly two or three named family, requiring photographic identification, who have been registered at the time of the initial season subscription added to the pitch.

    SO would you also welcome an increase in the cost of the seasonal pitches to include all comers? 

    I read without blinkers - did you? The fee is calculated in some form to reflect the terms and conditions one of which is that the renter, OH and Children along with EHU are catered for within the fee. To have brothers, sisters, adult children, using it would therefore mean that they were effectively using it free of charge. IF it were to allow increased usage then an increased charge would be reasonable or do you believe in something for nothing? 

    There is no such thing as a free ride .... somebody pays.

  • JollyKernow
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    edited January 2018 #115

     I would possibly accept a bank card as id if it were the one you were paying with. Not many people would lend out a card with the pin number I think. Or I might not!!!!foot-in-mouth

     

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #116

    I lent my eldest daughter one of my Debit Cards to get some money when she was short on cash and had lost her credit card. Almost 3 years later I asked if she remembered my PIN ........ she did. If I didn't use my cards for 3 years I doubt that I would remember my own. smile

  • Metheven
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    edited January 2018 #117

    Definitely not the friendly club judging by the replies on here, yes the T&Cs were overlooked and yes the rules that are present now must be followed.

    But it's like dipping your foot in a pond full of Piranha fish, not a good advert at all to the OP and any other newcomer where no intentional malice was intended.

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2018 #118

    +1

    when we had a seasonal with our children it was excellent value and much cheaper than the school holiday and all the weekends added together.

    So I disagree with the OP, the club is doing quite a lot for families, not only the seasonals but many family sites have kids a for a pound, and of course unlike most commercials there is no extra charge for dogs and awnings. If you go a club site during the summer most are full of happy families so the club is 'investing' in it's future very well.

    And also as the OP has not gone to the high cost of actually purchasing a caravan herself ?  so surly the weekly cost the OP described is quite low for a family holiday anyway? I mean where else could you take your whole family away in accommodation for £210?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2018 #119

    yes but what happens on here is just not what happens on site. Also just look at how many posters there are compared to now many members there are in reality who never post on here.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #120

    All that 'happens on here' is that folk have posted to show that the site pitch is intended for use of the renter and immediate family and priced accordingly. 

  • mickysf
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    edited January 2018 #121

    We should, I guess, always be just a tad mindful of what we wish for. A change to the Ts&Cs which reflects that higher level of entitlement suggested may bring cost implications. If a sliding scale of charges were introduced reflecting the number of additional persons eligible to stay in the agreement holders caravan we might just find that the cost is not dissimilar to the current arrangements.
    I suppose a bigger picture, one we don't always see, or want to see, may need looking at. Friendly discussion can help clarity and I think most of us are trying hard in this thread to be objective and helpful.

    I'm all for encouraging families to become involved in our pastime, just need to find the 'best' ways of doing this for all concerned..