Family pitch rules not encouraging future members.
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The named member has to be in attendance +1 if family or others stay and if any are over 17 yrs above that they will need to pay the per capiter adult price,
As for who can use seasonal pitches it is normally all done at HO, and depends how many applications there are for the pitches set aside for seasonal use,normally first come first served as the applications are recd, I know as we missed out on one and inquired how it works
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I used to work and commute from home. My home was not used for business purposes. Do the TICs define either business use or residential? If leaving for 2 days every 3 weeks is OK then leaving every week must be even more OK no matter what you or I may think
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I sympathise with the OP to some extent. Sounds like a mistake has been made in terms of seasonal use. If Dad doesn't book a seasonal pitch, but just books on as a touring unit, then provided at least one lead member is in occupation, then family can use the van. You wouldn't of course get the benefit of the seasonal pitch price, but at least you can all use the van under your own membership. Might be worth trying it for a season, see if you do like being on site, then you can put a towbar on your car, and borrow Dad's van as and when you like! Many families share a van in this way, share cost of van, use it between them, pay their own usage fees. Otherwise, a static might be a better option?
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I suggested NOT using a seasonal pitch, but booking in as a tourer. That way, the van could stay where it is, only the users would change. Provided both Dad, and offspring are members, there will always be someone within the rules in charge of the van.
They won't be restricted to staying on same site then either. If Dad is only one geared up for towing, then he could tow, but leave offspring to enjoy! I appreciate not all Dad's/Mum's want their offspring let loose alone in their van, but some do make use of a van like this very successfully, and all within the Club's rules.
Not as cheap as a seasonal pitch, but you can swop the users!
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I read this as you can't stay more than 21 nights in one go, did these contract workers do that? and they cannot do business on site, did they? no they went off site.
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because you or one personally agrees to it, you voluntarily sign a contract with club or does your agreement or signature mean nothing? That you can break the agreement when you feel like it?
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I think a touring pitch is even more restrictive as you, or the outfit can't stay more than 21 days? or rather a booking can only be made for a max of 21 days?
Is it possible to book two back to back bookings of 21 days on the same site with the same membership number?
Could one member book 21 days then another member book the next 21 days and leave the outfit on the same pitch? interesting question
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No, but it is if you are a full member in your own right with your own membership number ,in the same shared c/van you may need to move pitches if on a grass or other pitch that will need "maintanance" grass or hedges
We are here for 21 nights now (don't ask) but could really need 23 nights but was not able make a fresh booking for the extra two nights
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The rules of seasonal usage are as they stand now, as defined by the Club to date. I agree that anyone considering taking out a seasonal pitch ought to read the terms and conditions carefully, and not make assumptions, as seasonal pitches are subject to a discount when compared with the price of booking a touring pitch for the same period (leaving aside the 21 day rule).
Given that the Club are looking at ways of attracting new members, and that there is more shared usage of vans nowadays, perhaps something for the Club to consider as to how to better administer seasonal pitch bookings in terms of only keeping to one lead member, or perhaps having a second member able to visit? Might just get a few more family members to join, I don't know? I have friends who allow offspring to use their van, but not sure how prevalent this is?
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Unless I am mistaken, it is the occupants that have to leave, rather than the van? Surely you don't have to move the van off site every three weeks as well?
If I could find the info about seasonal pitches on this website I would find out, but as per usual it's all a game of " hunt the facts" with the Club!
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The OP was originally questioning how fair the rules were. OK, his Dad signed up for them, but obviously didn't expect to find the extra payments in the rules so didn't look for them. I've never wanted a seasonal pitch so have never read ze rule book, but I certainly wouldn't have expected the further pitch fees for a family member.
E.g. SWMBO managed to sign up for Amazon Prime ...... she didnt intend to, it's just the Amazon site leads you gbyently the hand & guides you to doing so on the quiet. She obviously didn't read what she'd ticked a box for & then wondered why she had c£9 a month going to Amazon. When she eventually told be they'd been taking money from her account, I knew exactly what she'd done because a lad at work had told me a few days before hand that his Mum had done the very same thing. Amazon refunded the charges in both cases.
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These seasonal pitches are few in number from what I can see and only seem to be available on a few sites. Maybe these are sites which have regular spare or surplus pitches across the whole season. Afterall seasonal pitches would be extremely expensive I reckon, if not the same cost as that charged for touring pitches, on those busy HP sites we often hear about.
If the terms and conditions were written to allow family and friends then the possibility is that these would be occupied most often, if just immediate family maybe occupancy would be a tad less and if just the contract holder then this may be the least. It would therefore make absolute sence to adjust the price according to how the T&C is written. In my opinion touring pitches are more akin to the ethos of the club but a few seasonals may be a good thing on those sites with spare capacity as they may help prolong our passtime for those nearing the end of their towing/driving years.
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I have just found the seasonal pitch terms and conditions. (Buried deep, as with a good few of the Club's rules and regs!)
It is clear that only the lead member can benefit from the seasonal discount, and in fairness, given the money saved, is a good deal. If something looks a good deal, compared with the commercial site prices, then buyer beware and best check the small print!
Another little gem on there throws up an interesting debating point. Only clean, tidy, roadworthy vans can use seasonal pitches. I get the roadworthy and tidy bit, but clean.........imagine six months of weather on some UK sites, and not being able to wash your outfit off, as per site rules, bit of a conundrum!
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then if that is what happened to the OP's dad then he has let himself down, sorry but there it is. I have had a seasonal pitch with the club and you get the agreement sent to you with the rules for you to sign, each to their own of course but to pay a £1000 without a quick read through is not a good idea?
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you don't have to take your van off for a seasonal no, but I'm not sure about a normal touring pitch which you were talking about (unless I misread you)
PS here:
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There is no club rule that says you cannot "rinse" the van with water ,or as the cc have said use a waterless cleaner, it works as well ,our van is in storage (some times😉) so is normally rinsed on site as with the last two mucky journies, or cleaned with waterless cleaners ,we carry a 4 step stepladder £19 from Aldi for just that purpose
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then they fulfil all the rules on seasonal, when we had a seasonal we went home on Sundays
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well my personal view, residence means where you live, your permanence residence, I would also say it depends on the time spent, if I stayed in a hotel all the time permanently, then it becomes where I live and so is residential, if I stay only for a few weeks then go home that is recreationa,. ie more temporary
You yourself have said your workers go home at weekends, ie where they reside, where they live, their residence.
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