Family pitch rules not encouraging future members.

EasyT

On most sites the wardens operate the barrier on first arrival and so yes you would need to report.

JVB66

No as the member in whose name the contract was taken out with Must be present as part of the occupiers  of the pitch

Which was just the scenario of the OP

EasyT

Others can use the van with his consent and in his absence but of course pay regular site fee

hitchglitch

Well, the main difference is that statics usually have garden gnomes, but I take the point, Club site seasonal pitches are different.

MarknPam

So I am not immediate family?  Again as I have stated before... we pay the caravan club member nightly fee of £7.80 each per night (as caravan club members!!!) over and above the nightly pitch fee(again), so we are not getting anything for free. This is money the club sites will be missing out on as instead of heading up for a week or long weekend (as I only work 6 months of the year) when my "parents" are not using the van then I would probably just go for the Friday/Saturday..  so the reality is the CC is already loosing out on the extra income it would have generated from encouraging family usage from immediate family... 

onepjg

And my immediate family is my parents, children and grandchildren, regardless of what their address is.

But maybe you feel different 

Tinwheeler

I say again, M&P, tell the club. Make your views known to those who make the rules. Rowena has made them aware but it’s down to you to put your points across.

MarknPam

My dad bought the van for the family, so we could all use it and get some QT together as family, time spent together is a scare commodity nowadays. When we go up to visit if he is there, we pay £16 a night, as he has paid an annual pitch subscription. I just feel it's double charging when we go as family without him in attendance, disappointing more than anything!  Not looking to get the rules changed for me, simply suggesting that the CC could be loosing out by not encouraging family usage on a paid for pitch, but still making money from daily fees.

EasyT

You can use it. Just pay the rate if he is not there. Simple. As per the T&Cs if he is not happy and is less than 50% through the contract I believe that he can hand the pitch and get a pro rata refund. 

You have said your piece. I have given my views. Nothing to add really. If your father is not happy he can contact the club. So can you if you wish. We have different views but nothing personal

EasyT

You know what I meant I suspect - as per the contract

MarknPam

I will use it, but I will maybe just need to move back home to his place! 😉

Grant705

So are you saying,  if the member failed to mention his wife on the application/contract she would not be allowed to stay on her own without paying pitch and person fees? 

EasyT

I presume that it is the same as any other booking. Made in the lead member's name and joint member same rights.

mickysf

I guess it's not what we 'say' it's what the Ts&Cs say. I'd bet that if one omitted to put wife, partner, husband on membership a quick phone call would put that right. 

 

Grant705

But should the phone call be necessary or do the "roolz" take precedence over commonsense.

EasyT

The fact that joint membership is required to have the same rights as a member might be a rule. However it is also common sense. 

mickysf

Yes it is and should be necessary, if one has omitted to include a 'partner' or other family member residing at the agreement holders/membership address that phone call would sort it out. Peace of mind would reign for all concerned. Sometimes we don't help ourselves do we.

Grant705

The CAMC has a reputation of being full of rules and many potential members are 'turned off' from joining. It would appear that this is an unjust accusation and it it the older members who are infact slaves to the rule book. Many of you are only months or a few years older than myself but it appears to me we are of a different generation.

EasyT

Can't think of any rules that enslave me Grant. I think you are confusing fact and fiction regarding being enslaved by rules. I don't think that you are currently a member? 

Grant705

I don't think that you are currently a member?

Quite true and future membership is looking increasingly unlikely!

EasyT

Have you been a member recently Grant? I ask as I have never felt constrained by CC rules which are no more onerous than on many commercial sites

Cornersteady

I'm not sure what you mean there grant, are you saying you don't keep to the rules? be careful that could lead you to being banned from CT?

Also people do join the club and Ct of their own free will? And actually pay as well? I sometimes wonder why some do this then think the rules don't apply?

Tinwheeler

Good question!

An even better one might be “Did/do you use club sites or only CLs where many rules don’t apply?”. 

 

mickysf

There is an old saying hich goes:-

Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools but trouble ensues when fools consider themselves wise men and wise men act as fools!

 Regrettably neither are age specific, that is why we need rules!

moulesy

The odd thing is, Grant, that when we've used commercial sites over the past 2 or 3 years, I've found them to have just as many rules; in fact in some cases there are far more rules than on CAMC sites.

JVB66

He is actually paying a very reduced pitch fee for his and one others personal use 

JVB66

I would think the the vast majority of couples who are members have joint membership with their own card 

JVB66

And a lot of "hidden extra costs"

Navigateur

I was reading the T&Cs of a commercial site that I was considering visiting because of its location, and one of the rules was "No Music to be played".  So that rules out TV and radio, as well as my bagpipe practice.

Cornersteady

what you fail to understand is that your dad paid £1000 for 7/8 months use of a pitch and electrics for himself, another adult and any children (up to 17). Now not knowing which site it is and actual dates I can't calculate what the actual cost would be but taking an average of £20 per night for a couple over that 8 months (March to October?) that comes in very roughly as 20 x 8 x 30 = £4800. If there are children then obviously more.

So the club was offering a significant reduction, and potentially losing this money (£3800) over the period. Of course it makes business sense in a guaranteed income, but it probably could have made more than this over peak period? Who knows, but it's just the same as train, or  airline companies offering cheaper fare but with certain restrictions,  (ie travel on one train and/or not transferable)

So it is not double charging. It is already losing money on that pitch so it is entitled to set any conditions on the use of that seasonal pitch to make up or further reduce that shortfall. You did not pay for that pitch simples.

In view of all of this significant reduction in fees, the club is entitled to protect itself from someone abusing the seasonal pitch system and losing further money. For example what is to stop someone buying a seasonal then selling it on, a nice little earner as Arthur Daily would say, buy for a £1000 and sell each week at the full amount or an amount to make a profit rather than paying the club?