Best MHSP Ever - Should CAMC Follow Suit?
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ah, one of those 'motorhome person' types....
yes, the 'Caravan' Club is alive and well and at a site near you
i saw a 'caravan person' on a site once, takes all sorts, i guess
what a waste of time the rebrand was.....
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The cc had to pay quite large damages some years ago to a "lady who broke an ankle when "tripped"on a m/v waste grid that had been newly installed to replace the full lift of covers, so with the litigation society we now live in , things can be more complicated and costly to "remedy "
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We do own a caravan but have hired a motorvan and I think I would find the new one at Hawes easy enough to line up with. I assume the manhole covers for the very few rigs that don't have cassettes, as you would not really want to deposit black waste onto the grid. As far as the sloping concrete types that BB refers to. These really are potential trip hazards if in areas where most CAMC disposal points are. In front of the toilet block. Ideally they would be in a separate area and then I agree scoping the concrete either side of the grid would be a good idea.
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When I was at refurbished Wharfedale last week, I queried the two manhole covers with the cheerful, helpful warden.
His answer was that they were for those large motorhomes, probably American sized, needing to do a direct black water waste dump, not something he had seen but might be around in the future.
The lateral grid could have been improved with an extra foot one way and two feet t'other, but hey come on, do we want improvements or Perfection ! Which Perfection would of course be out of date next year !!
Brian
P.S. I thought the grey water grid was much improved, not necessitating a copious application of Ibuprofen like some I've met !!
B
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I think we should be celebrating the fact that the Club is moving in the right direction with regards to the provision of motorhome service points. All the photos of the Club ones seem really excellent although them seem to differ a little in design. At least the water drains directly into the system rather than spilling out all over the place which will cause smells if people don't hose down afterwards which invariably they don't.
David
PS Doesn't the Director General have a motorhome so I am sure there is no shortage of knowledge of what is required?
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I've yet to encounter one of the new configurations but I am grateful I don't have to lift a manhole anymore.
David the DG owns a caravan, as far as I can see by looking at the "About Us" pages only one member of the Club council owns a motorhome. Its been like that for a long time.
peedee
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True, alas, David.
what i dont understand is why so many caravanners seem to be posting against getting these 'right first time' (well, right next time really) when they dont even use them.
despite several MHers describing the type that works best (based on their experiences, especially overseas where throughput, ease of use and value, due to visitor charging, are uppermost on the design list) a few with no real interest other than to 'gainsay' those comments, seem hell bent on the idea that what we've got (or a revised version with an open drain) should be 'good enough'....
according to 'those who dont use them' the main issues are obviously the poor driving of those that use MHs or the poor design of waste outlets on all MHs....that really displays in depth knowledge of motorhoming, not
I havent seen the one at Whitewater that TG has used, but i respect her kowledge, judgement and experience, so Im sure it would be user friendly.
however, just replacing the solid drain covers with open drains (and not expanding the catchment area) doesnt help a lot with alignment and IMHO is an opportunity missed to do it properly.
still, as these will have been no doubt designed by a caravanner (are there and 'motorhome persons' on the 'sites team'?) they should be exactly what MHers want
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With as much respect as I can muster for a person whether they be caravanner or motorhomer I will say BB that when you have seen one and tried to use one then you may be in a better position to judge whether they are suitable. As a mere caravanner I have seen a new one in use and it seemed suitable.
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steve, the one you pictured is a 'full width' grille, which is obviously fine, even for those who shouldnt be driving a motorhome....
the one that DK pictured didnt seem to be wide enough to accom,odate a MH with its outlet on the nearside as (due to the lack of extension of the grill to the nearside) the MH wouls be forced towards the offside i to the site road that passes the MHSP.
just a couple of feet of extra grille (as in your picture) would enable vans with their waste outlets 'anywhere' to find the drain whilst being within the confines of the MHSP.
my earlier point was that all new grilles should be wide enough to allow the van to park safely, without having to ease out right or left into any passing traffic routes.
re: sloping drains.....the slope only needs be very shallow yet still do its job and divert water to the drain....we arent talking about Porlock Hill here...
trip hazards? seriously? im really starting to wonder what sort of other dangers lurk on that most hostile of environments.....the typical Caravan Club site
off to France in a few weeks, hope i don't get attacked by a rogue (but well designed) MHSP.
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re: sloping drains.....the slope only needs be very shallow yet still do its job and divert water to the drain....we arent talking about Porlock Hill here...
Like DK I could imagine some getting 'close enough' and not rinsing off. Needless IMO as an observer
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Also I emphasise my above comment. If you look at the photo of the one at Hawes it is right in front of the TB, in an area people are going to cut through when not in use. Installing one of the types I have dumped my wastemaster down abroad. So have examined in detail, would not in my opinion be safe in this location.
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The long narrow drain in the OP with a large concrete catchment looks easy to dump but prefer to see a decent sized grid where waste goes in ..... not near. It would seem far more difficult to have any chance of hitting the actual grid on the one in the OP
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with an equal amount of respect, Alan, ive used scores all over Europe and feel, based on that experience, Ive a pretty good idea as to which designs work well and which are a pain.
you, apparently, havent used any, but watched someone else use one.
hardly qualifies you as someone with an in depth understanding.
with the site roll out period being about '20 years' its unlikely that ill get to see one...
however, i bow to your (self styled) superior knowledge of all things MHSP
CT has worked its magic, yet again, with an interesting debate being flooded with negativity by those with little or no interest in the subject matter.
well done, thats certainly dampened Michaels enthusiastic OP.
Michael, makes you wonder why you bothered, mate.
theres obviously nothing else to say.
QED.
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you, apparently, havent used any, but watched someone else use one.
hardly qualifies you as someone with an in depth understanding.
I'm negative!! You have not sampled a new CC set up (admittedly all to rare even now) nor have you seen one in the flesh or in use and yet know instinctively that it will not suit you whilst I have at least observed its usage. I am all for the improved provisions BB. Large concrete areas to catch detritus and narrow grids are not an improvement for general site users.
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I have come across a few where the waste grid and the water tap are both on the passenger side of the van. I think one was the CC site at New England Bay, and its in a one way part of the site. To get my waste over the grid, as it happens to be on the drivers side, I had to go the wrong way down the one way section... Naturally a warden was there, naturally he told me I was going the wrong way, but he was unable to suggest an alternative method of getting my waste tap near the grid.
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Allan,our experience is not what some of the "dark side newbies" think is relevant when it comes to the poorly designed waste outlets, that are fitted to the majority of motor caravans where ever they are made in europe, ,the USA leads the way in properly designed and made waste disposal methods, without the need for large financial outlays by the camp site operators to pander to poor vehicle design
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ah, so Michael, TG, Peedee, myself etc are 'dark side newbies' now....charming.
ive nothing more to say on the OP, ill leave that to the caravanning folk who have all the answers to good MHSP design.
however, i will ask you not to be rude to fellow contributors, thank you
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