Best MHSP Ever - Should CAMC Follow Suit?
Recently on a site in SW France and arrived and had to dump waste and fill up (even though each pitch had a tap) so went to the MHSP which was situated next to the Camping Car pitches and was amazed at how good it was. Well laid out, the grid went down the centre of the area front to back with the concrete sloping into it so no need to align the dump valve with the grid, toilet waste and fresh water, even had a doggy wash along side if needed. Best of all (sad I know) it doubled as a wash bay so after a couple of dusty weeks by the Med it was nice to get the crud off and give the van a quick wash.
Pictures below but just think the CAMC should aspire to this level of facility if it is to be all inclusive of caravanners and motorhomers. And TBH the services on Aires are superior to most of the current offerings by the club.
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The Club is embarking (slowly) on an upgrade program of motorhome service points. I have not see one yet but someone, maybe DK posted a picture of one at Seacroft.
Here is another pitcture of a well maintained good one.
peedee
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I think the new standard of Club motorhome facilities are as equally as good as the one illustrated. But as Peedee suggests progress is pretty slow at getting them all up to standard.
David
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the best designed ones are the simplest....
as Michael has alluded to, no fancy lift up (heavy, awkward) covers, just a reliance on gravity to gently ease the water away.
even a crap 'liner-upper' like me can get the waste pipe within the 20'x10' landing area.
it really is the difference between being a pleasure (piece of cake) to use, and a pain.....shunting about, bad back, skinned knuckles etc...
one of the best ive seen/used is the MHSP at Halliotis, Pontorson, nr Mont St Michel.....its so good they put in two of them, side by side, complete with their own CCEP.
mind you, this MHSP 'pays for itself' as non-residents can call in for a dump/refill
for a small fee of around €2-€3.i realise the club has made its position clear on (not) allowing something similar, but at least they could base their MHSPs on the best....
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exactly my point, Michael. the club have gone beyond the simple requirement of a gently sloping rectangle (which works beautifully all over Europe) and will still force MHers to do the 'shuffle' to get lined up with their grids.
any van coming towards the camera with a dump valve on the left hand (near) side of the van, will need to ease over a couple of feet to the right to ensure its over the grid (which looks to be a good 2' too narrow, certainly on the nearside) which will push the van into the roadway...
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I don't think this particular one is too hard to line up with. Southport has a choice of 3 places in the MSP everyone of them has a manhole cover. There isn't a CDP and as I understand it's not all that old 😢. Manhole covers are heavy and very awkward can't removed til you're certain you won't drop a wheel down. Can't get over because of lifting said cover and all of them on a level surface so no gravity assistance. Then you need to rinse the area and chase the odd pea or sweetcorn until you can get it to and down the drain 😂. Only room for one vehicle, just by the exit so a queue forms - on the road blocking the exit LOL. Good planning - I think not!
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You said it, BB !!
even a crap 'liner-upper' like me can get the waste pipe within the 20'x10' landing area.
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interesting analogy Alan, i assure ypu i can drop a golf ball pretty well anywhere you want me too.....anytime you want to put your money up, let me know
however, we are talking about the design of MHSP, no doubt a subject you're an expert on, owning a caravan?
the point is, its as easy to build a well designed MHSP as a poorly designed one.....its the design that needs to be right.....and for the club to spend money building badly designed MHSP just makes it all the more frustrating.
isntt it about making them easy to use, speeding up throughput and reducing incomvenience to other users?
perhaps ive missed the point?
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I have posted another view of it below. Quite frankly if you can't line a motorhome waste over that grill I am not sure they should be driving a motorhome?
David
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One I prepared earlier for you!!! This is the Canterbury Site which is similar to other C&CC sites I have visited.
David
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but why are the two covered drains set wider apart than the open drain?
the two covered drains are no improvement whatsoever on what we have now...
the 'improvement' of the open grill would be far better if the surrounding area were sloping, or the grill was wide enough so that solo drivers could be confident that they are parked 'in the target zone'...irrespective of which side the waste tap is.
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yes, the open grille is an improvement over a closed drain, but this is really no better/different than the cc one.
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As I might have mentioned before if motor caravan manufacturers used their products and realised just how stupididly most outlets were designed then it would not be the "problem" some find,
Fuel tanker and "Honey Wagon" also RV manufacturers seem to have it sorted
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irrespective of whether the outlet is right, left or centre, if the drain being targetted is either too small or covered or both, getting things lined up needs to be made as easy as possible, not the other way round.
why doesnt the CC sites committee get out there in a MH (in fact, several different MHs now that we are all MH focused.....)and test out a decent MHSP (as described by Michael in the OP) against one of their own 'creations'....
BTW, as youve mentioned it umpteen times, why dont you describe to us all how the MH manufacturers should design their 'stupid' dump valves...
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if you mean the adding of a short flexible hose extension, i have one (OEM) and i use it.....but only on CC sites where the MHSP are hopeless.
on a well designed one, pull up anywhere within the sloping area, pull the handle (no need to get out with a decent internal frost protected system) and the water goes down the drain....amazing.
its all in the design you know, not that difficult but the club still hasnt mastered it..
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in June on treamble valley club site a motorhome person opposite us found a new place to empty his grey waste on the pitch and up the road as he pulled away. the smell was so bad the wife and I had to wash it all down with disinfectant and water .so it looks like the club would waste its money on updates for motorhomes. yes we did complain
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Why would getting a 2" or thereby pipe over a 12" square grid/hole be more difficult than getting a caravan within 2" if a wooden peg?
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As I mentioned on another post ,the wardeness on the site we were on last night was having a "conversation"about just that with a motor caravan "owner/driver"who had the dump valve open while standing "fumbling"for his barrier card to exit the site,and she said it is getting more prvelant with the increase in motor caravans and those who cannot "spare the time"to empty on the proper point
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its interesting that those who have the answer to everything MHSP related are caravanners who use wastemasters.
JVB excepted, who has bags of honey wagon experience....
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the majority are covered at the moment. and this is a serious issue for those who have to lift them....
the point Michael makes is, if they are to be resigned, why not do it to the std of the best ones (like the one he highlights), rather than a 'that will do' approach?
ps, where did you want to play? at a course nr you or down here somewhere?
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