My dog doesn't need a lead.
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We pitched up next to a well meaning owner last year with a lovely collie cross who had no issues whatsoever apart from being very inquisitive.
The owner tethered the dog on a lead long enough to reach our pitch, unfortunately for the dog, there was a rail and post fence between pitches. The poor thing managed to wrap itself in the lead and fence post on several occasions while the owner sat in his van. I felt the need to untangle the dog a number of times until I had to suggest the lead was shortened to prevent the dog getting entangled.
The point being 5 hours is enough time for a fit dog to get well and truly entangled in the lead and have no assistance if required. How would your daughter have felt returning to a distressed or injured pet.
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That's fine TW, no offence but go ahead. I think you would find it a waste of time. The dog was left with water and shelter, the RSPCA would find that quite adequate and within the law. I know that to be a fact as we have asked. It seems to me that some people think more of dogs than kids. Some folk are just silly about dogs while others are practical and level headed. It seems that what the RSPCA finds acceptable, others don't. Many dogs are left all day - far longer than 5 hours- while people go to work- perhaps they should all be reported and their dogs rehomed or if not possible, destroyed perhaps?? The possibilities are endless! Please don't shoot the messenger - I haven't even got a dog! I think they are a great companion and working dogs are unbelievably useful and amazing. However, for me, - just not interested in keeping one particularly if neighbours are only too keen on stamping their own standards on how you keep it. No thanks!! However, thanks to all for your input. It's been very interesting.
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There's within the law and there's common sense, Merve. I thought you would use the latter.
That's really quite a rant.
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My take on it is:
A dog is a responsibility you take on for life, not just something that is fun until there is something better to do? Dog's suffer separation anxiety when left alone for long periods, this then results in the dog destroying things in the house. or trying to escape from its confines, Is it the dogs fault ?
They are by their nature a social animal.
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Back on the topic of off lead dogs it is something I have seen on a couple of occasions and does annoy me a little. As the discussion title suggests it seems as though that individual believes the site rules don't apply to them. We are just back from two weeks on a members only club site which was busy with a lot of members having dogs with them, mostly well behaved, (members and dogs) only saw one brief instance of one person walking his dog off lead on site. As he normally had the dog on a leash I'm guessing he knew he was breaking the rules.
One point about dogs on lead that I also feel isn't right is the use, or abuse, of the extending/ retractable lead. The number of people you see walking around the site with their dog at the exteme end of a 15metre lead doing virtually whatever it wants seems to be increasing. I'm sure it does or used to state in the rules that dogs should be on a "short lead", I've got a feeling a maximum length of 3metres was mentioned but couldn't be 100% sure on that.
I did have a quick look on the website for the club rules but couldn't find them, is it just me or aren't they available online?
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There is a newer guidance leaflet but the only difference is it has the Walls Ice cream Logo on it
Found it.. Updated leaflet
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Merve
As the travelling with dogs leaflet only suggests if you must leave your dog rather than you may or may not. I would suggest that a responsible owner would only consider your option in an emergency. Even then, I have seen neighbours dog sitting in these circumstances.
Perhaps the code of behaviour may be more appropriate to consider if leaving a dog for 5 hours unattended tethered near the caravan is acceptable under club rules.
Obviously the dog would not be fully under control as it had no controlling Club member present who would be considered responsible for the dogs behaviour in the 5 hours you mentioned.
The dog may have been a nuisance/disruption or danger to itself or others without your knowledge or ability to enforce control, as you were not present for 5 hours. This would have contravened code 10.5 below.
In essence the onus is on yourself to ensure your fellow caravaners are not disturbed and your guests and pets are also your responsibility to control.
10. Code of Behaviour
10.1 Members shall comply at all times with this Code of Behaviour and conduct themselves in a manner which upholds the good name of the Club and which respects the comfort and convenience of other Club members.
10.2 Members shall undertake to comply with Club Site Rules, The Caravan Code and The Towing Code. The Club Site Rules will also be displayed at each Club Site and on the Club’s website.
10.3 The use of Club Sites and Certificated Locations and the participation in rallying activities organised by the Club shall be solely for the purpose of recreation and not for any purpose connected with any trade, business or profession, nor as part of or substitute for any domestic purpose, unless prior authorisation is obtained from the Club.
10.4 A Full Member is responsible for the conduct of all persons in his party (including Joint and Family Members, guests and any pets) and shall procure their compliance with these Bye-Laws.
10.5 Any inappropriate behaviour by a member which causes or could reasonably be expected to cause disruption, embarrassment or offence to others shall be a breach of the Code of Behaviour.
10.6 The verbal or physical abuse of Club staff, another member or other individual, howsoever connected with the Club, with whom the member is in contact, shall be a breach of the Code of Behaviour.
10.7 A breach of the Code of Behaviour could result in the termination or suspension of Club membership in accordance with Bye-Law 11.
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There are some truly irresponsible dog owners out there, and sadly some of them are members of the CC. Owning a dog means being responsible for it in terms of the dog's health and welfare, and having due regard to the other people your dog might meet in all walks of life, both in daily life and away on holiday. People need to give serious thought about whether or not dog ownership is truly for them, with the compromises required, and if all the boxes are not ticked, then for goodness sake, don't bloody well have one! No wonder the dog rescue centres are full to bursting with mistreated, untrained, ill socialised animals. I have no problems with reporting anyone I find mistreating (physically or mentally) animals. Same goes for vulnerable humans as well.
Club Site rules are clear, dogs on site must be on a lead. Only time ours are tethered outside is if we are out there with them. Can't abide seeing dogs left outside to bark or lunge at passing people. Watched one at Yellowcraig lunge at a passing German Shepherd...owner dropped GS lead. The snapper wasn't left tethered outside again! Justice was served.
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The length of the lead as stated by the rules is max of 3 meters and that is too long, should be 1 meter max, rigidly enforced by the camp commandant.
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Unfortunately with human nature being what it is I wouldn't leave my dogs outside unattended - some passing child might get too close and taunt the dog. And then it would be the dogs' fault if something went wrong. Or they might release the dog for fun? 5 hours in a strange place is quite a long time in my opinion - I seldom if ever leave mine for that length of time even in their familiar caravan.
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Some interesting reading HERE
Maybe you should have a read through it
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"After some consideration she decided that the there would need to be too many compromises to our lifestyle, just a pity others dont see it that way."
We had a dog years ago and enjoyed having her. When she died we considered having another one after about a year, but also decided against it for similar reasons, as our lifestyle had changed somewhat by then. I agree that some people don't stop to think first, and get a dog/puppy on impulse, much like buying a new TV or furniture. It's a big commitment and if you can't commit 100% then it's not a good idea.
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I have... dog leads should be enforced strictly, no argument .
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I totally agree, but who are you and what right do have to say that they should be shorter just to suit you.
The club in there wisdom, and with a more open minded view than you have, have decided that,that is what we must do, the vast majority abide by this. but you and others seem to be on some sort of mission to antagonize decent rule abiding members. As I said to someone else, how can you judge people and how they conduct themselves on club sites when you know absolutely nothing about them.
Like it or not, accept it. Most members who are dog owners abide by the rules and are very considerate to other site users.
BTW, having looked at your profile, are you really over 100 years old
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MTD, you posted-BTW, having looked at your profile, are you really over 100 years old smile
If He is it would answer a few questions I've always had
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Mmm, it would explain a lot
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Hmmm....I really enjoy the time when SOME dog owners go out for the day leaving their mutts alone in what inevitably turns put to be a campervan. Majority seem to have two mini dogs these days. Of course, their dogs never create a nuisance because they stop their non-stop barking the moment their owners arrive back.
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we had a springer for over 12 yrs, when i first retired, i walked/ran him upto 4 times a day.
he died around the time OH retired and just before we got our first MH.
we thought for a while about another (yes, there was a hole in our lives) but we waited until we got an idea where the 'vanning' thing would take us....answer, everywhere....
we felt (unreservedly) that we made the right decision.
our daughter/SIL have had a springer for around 18 months and we get plenty of opportunity to get him out to stretch our legs.....
big commitment, big decision.
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Not at all, if you read it all.
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Countax - of course other people are entitled to their views and have every right to state them.
I'm not sure how long you've been around on CT, but I think the point Milo was trying to make was that dog ownership has always been an emotive topic on CT and respnsible dog owners - the vast majority by common consent - get fed up with comments tarring them with the same brush. And as is quite clear,the thread will have not the slightest effect on the small number of offenders. That is maybe the argument for closing the thread, nothing to do with stifling debate.
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Tell us what you did about it, Countax. Some constructive ideas might be of help to others if they should find themselves in the same situation.
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Hmm.....Constructive suggestions? Try not leaving one or two dogs alone whilst you wander out for the day? Of course, it's always dogs belonging to other people that create problems.
Just maybe, the answer is to obey the rules of the site as published in this discussion a number of times.
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