My dog doesn't need a lead.

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  • moulesy
    moulesy Forum Participant Posts: 9,403 ✭✭✭
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    edited July 2017 #152

    Fair enough, David.

    So, just to be clear, what exactly is the rationale behind suggesting the club should charge for dogs, other than possibly putting off a lot of folk who currently use the sites and do absolutely nothing wrong?  undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2017 #153

    Any one a  member of both major clubs,  as i understand the C&CC also do not charge for dogs,  do they also get a lot of negative complaints about the tiny few  Dog owners who tend to "annoy" the few wink 

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  • moulesy
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    edited July 2017 #155

    OK, David, I think I can see where you're coming from now. You're talking about sites "over there"! Why didn't you say that in the first place?  wink

    So maybe it's nothing to do with charging? Maybe it's just that our friends "over there" are not so likely to have house pets and so won't have them on holiday with them anyway? That would seem to fit  in with what I've noticed on frequent stays in towns, villages and resorts "over there". 

    Just another difference in national characteristics! wink

    Edit - just looked up some figures on www.statista.com regarding dog ownership which shows ownership considerably less in Spain, Portugal, Italy & Netherlands - only Germany is higher. Maybe that's a factor in why you see relatively fewer dogs "over there"?  smile

  • huskydog
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    edited July 2017 #156

    yes, they have just as many moans about dogs, but then they have just as many moans about BBQ's ,flags ,solar lights ,kids ,etc undecided

  • Milothedog
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    edited July 2017 #157

    Just to digress a little,

    I certainly don't get this flag thing? The funniest thing I have seen was at Salisbury  Hill Side site, a caravan completely illuminated underneath with Christmas tree lights . Actually permanently attached to itsmile

     

    As you were campers............

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2017 #158

    was it Christmas?

  • Metheven
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    edited July 2017 #159

    'Over there' innocent Every site and I mean every site I have visited there are dogs as companions from various country's. Admittedly I travel mainly off peak and the use of the ACSI card ensures one dog is always free so costs me nothing, thereafter there is almost always a charge for subsequent numbers and high season there is always a charge.


    I find that a fair number of 'over there' innocent sites but not all does give something in return for this charge, a washing facility, a designated dog walk, bins and bags provided, not a lot but an expression of pets being welcome. The CC also expresses the welcome for no charge, which is even better laughing

    'Over there' innocent, I have seen mostly one dog units, sometimes two but rarely more. Some bark but most do not, some owners don't pick up but most do, most don't bother with a leash on their pitch but do off, in fact much the same as 'over here' smile

  • Milothedog
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    edited July 2017 #160

    May this year cool, I was coming back from walking the dogs late evening. 

    They were on leads, quite, I had their deposits in bags to put in the bins and had used the dog walk. before anyone ask tongue-out

  • Milothedog
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    edited July 2017 #161

    Sorry off topic but it may lighten the mood smile

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2017 #162

    actually I quite like them.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2017 #163

    I wonder if they go "cruising" along seafronts with the other "hot rods"surprised

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2017 #164

    Great! Now as well as multiple dogs we have people bringing hordes of fireflies to club sites.

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  • KjellNN
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    edited July 2017 #167

    We certainly see fewer dogs on sites "over there".  And we have not so far seen anyone with more than 2 dogs.

    We did however notice that in many towns  in France, you need to look at where you are walking all the time, the dog mess is really bad.

  • WK57ABF
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    edited July 2017 #168

    Antisocial behaviour by dog owners on Club sites it now, unfortunately, the norm. Responsible dog owners, who have their pets under control, are in the minority. I base my opinion on over 7000 camping nights on Club sites, the other club, 5 van sites and a few commercial sites.

    Talking to offenders doesn't work, I've been threatened by them. Reporting to the wardens doesn't work, been told they cannot do anything unless they witness the incident.

    Perhaps reintroducing the dog licence and setting it at above a thousand pounds might help!

    John

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2017 #169

    "over 7000 camping nights"

     

    Really! surprised

    I mean that's quite an achievement since your profile says "caravanning since 1995"!

  • huskydog
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    edited July 2017 #170

    That's nearly 19 years of solid camping surprised, that deserves a club window sticker cool

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2017 #171

    Makes Malcolm look like a mere beginner! wink

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  • WK57ABF
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    edited July 2017 #173

    No decimal point issue - over seven thousand nights.

    John

  • Pippah45
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    edited July 2017 #174

    "Does anyone else have the same problem as Simba or is it him that thinks this does not conform to site rules?"

    I have the problem too - one of my dogs is a large and very affable GSD x Rottweiler - and the number of times dogs have run up to her in attack mode is incredible - luckily for the offenders she just looks down her nose at the offenders.  Worse though is my elderly Ladbrador - also epileptic that seems to be attracting aggression from other dogs - and she can't handle it.  Surely the days of dogs off lead in crowded places is over. 

  • Fisherman
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    edited July 2017 #175

    Glad Ive been away and missed the last 76 posts. At Nat Trust Ilam with only one Dog on site. Always on a lead and did not bark everytime someone passed their van. Heaven

  • RoyandBev
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    edited July 2017 #176

    and of course for children, cats, OAPs

  • RoyandBev
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    edited July 2017 #177

    As a dog owner this makes sense i Have 2 one lead per hand i would not be sure of myself in charge withe more.

    just my thaught many will agree many will disagree

  • dmiller555
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    edited July 2017 #178

    And goldfish, dangerous beasts goldfish when they escape from their bowl, there's no holding them back even with a lead, just too slippery. 

  • RoyandBev
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    edited July 2017 #179

    I this has already been said but interesting, I don’t know how many members there are but it is the same few people (including me) that keep commenting. We are a tiny almost immeasurable percentage of members.

    None of us are going to change our mind are we Dog defenders, Dog haters and those a little in the middle, I suspect the dog owners responding are probably the responsible ones the dog haters are not trying to get to anyway.

    My only concern with how posts like this go might put of new members from asking important questions and come on everyone that has posted here, between us we have years and years of experience all made mistakes and need to be encouraging new members to get the benefit of all this experience to make their new hobby as pleasurable as can be.

    Never mind the dog argument there are plenty of drivers would see us all, caravans, motor homes and trailer pullers off the road so long live camping, caravanning no matter if you are just a scrap of canvas and a toothbrush lover or want to be in a mobile hotel and long live diversity and diferance.

    An enjoyable summer to you all

    Roy

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  • brue
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    edited July 2017 #181

    I don't think I've commented on this thread. Last week our old terrier got bitten by a dog off it's lead, I nearly got bitten too, so did the owners child. Not on a site but could have been. Dogs on a lead? Yes please!

    As to the earlier comment about tethering a dog for long periods unattended. Yes the RSPCA would take notice. Our daughter's rescue terrier suffered this fate and was rescued by the RSPCA.

    Enough said!