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  • Quasar524
    Quasar524 Forum Participant Posts: 148
    edited July 2016 #422

    i would have thought that 2 showers for 5 vans was an exceptionally favourable ratio.

    for a 100 van site youd need 40 showers to acheive the same..

    i certainly would look for, nor expect, showers and toilets on a 5 van site, though some do have them.....

    I think Ac said a 5 field site, not a 5 van site.......

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #423

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is
    what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    ...Good post which speaks volumes

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2016 #424

    i would have thought that 2 showers for 5 vans was an exceptionally favourable ratio.

    for a 100 van site youd need 40 showers to acheive the same..

    i certainly would look for, nor expect, showers and toilets on a 5 van site, though some do have them.....

    I think Ac said a 5 field site, not a 5 van site.......

    Well spotted, QHappy

    i guess it boils down to how many vans in each field.....but if they were, large, full fields, then 2 showers might be stretching thingsWink

    however, many are happy just to use their on board one...

  • Kennine
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    edited July 2016 #425

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    Yes, it really is that simple! Happy

    Write your comments here...Not quite !! Nice facilities and flower pots around the site are only a small part of what makes a good holiday.

    It's what you do on holiday which matters. Which introduces the subject of location. While some may think it is cost effective to stay on a site in the middle of a built up area with shops, noise and polution,--- others will think that it is not. 

    Whereas some might think that a site in the middle of the countryside surrounded by great natural beauty and the opportunity for  nature watching,, walking and cycling may consider this great value for money. Others might think there is no value for money there.

    It's very much what suits your lifestyle and interest. 

    The CC have sites which can cater to a certain extent for both types of caravanner. But so have other organisations.Cool

    K  

     

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #426

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is
    what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    Yes, it really is that simple! Happy

    Write your comments here...Not quite !! Nice facilities and flower pots around the site are only a small part of what makes a good holiday.

    It's what you do on holiday which matters. Which introduces the subject of location. While some may think it is cost effective to stay on a site in the middle of a built up area with shops, noise and polution,--- others will think that it is not. 

    Whereas some might think that a site in the middle of the countryside surrounded by great natural beauty and the opportunity for  nature watching,, walking and cycling may consider this great value for money. Others might think there is no value for money
    there.

    It's very much what suits your lifestyle and interest. 

    The CC have sites which can cater to a certain extent for both types of caravanner. But so have other organisations.Cool

    K  

     

    ..That is precisely what has been said by most who post on here me included

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2016 #427

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is
    what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    Yes, it really is that simple! Happy

    Write your comments here...Not quite !! Nice facilities and flower pots around the site are only a small part of what makes a good holiday.

    It's what you do on holiday which matters. Which introduces the subject of location. While some may think it is cost effective to stay on a site in the middle of a built up area with shops, noise and polution,--- others will think that it is not. 

    Whereas some might think that a site in the middle of the countryside surrounded by great natural beauty and the opportunity for  nature watching,, walking and cycling may consider this great value for money. Others might think there is no value for money
    there.

    It's very much what suits your lifestyle and interest. 

    The CC have sites which can cater to a certain extent for both types of caravanner. But so have other organisations.Cool

    K  

     

    I think that's pretty much what was said above wasn't it (only in fewer words! Wink

  • Kennine
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    edited July 2016 #428

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is
    what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    Yes, it really is that simple! Happy

    Write your comments here...Not quite !! Nice facilities and flower pots around the site are only a small part of what makes a good holiday.

    It's what you do on holiday which matters. Which introduces the subject of location. While some may think it is cost effective to stay on a site in the middle of a built up area with shops, noise and polution,--- others will think that it is not. 

    Whereas some might think that a site in the middle of the countryside surrounded by great natural beauty and the opportunity for  nature watching,, walking and cycling may consider this great value for money. Others might think there is no value for money
    there.

    It's very much what suits your lifestyle and interest. 

    The CC have sites which can cater to a certain extent for both types of caravanner. But so have other organisations.Cool

    K  

     

    I think that's pretty much what was said above wasn't it (only in fewer words! Wink

    Write your comments here...Nope !!!

    CoolWink

  • mickysf
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    edited July 2016 #429

    What it all boils down to is that if you want cheap look elsewhere but if club sites suit you and you are willing to pay a small premium then use them. Value for money is a completely different thing from cost but is not an exact science. Basically it is what you feel is right for you so there is no right or wrong price it is your perception of it.

    Yes, it really is that simple! Happy

    Write your comments here...Not quite !! Nice facilities and flower pots around the site are only a small part of what makes a good holiday.

    It's what you do on holiday which matters. Which introduces the subject of location. While some may think it is cost effective to stay on a site in the middle of a built up area with shops, noise and polution,--- others will think that it is not. 

    Whereas some might think that a site in the middle of the countryside surrounded by great natural beauty and the opportunity for  nature watching,, walking and cycling may consider this great value for money. Others might think there is no value for money there.

    It's very much what suits your lifestyle and interest. 

    The CC have sites which can cater to a certain extent for both types of caravanner. But so have other organisations.Cool

    K  

    There are more than two kinds of 'caravaners' and many shades in between. It's as simple as that!

  • Quasar524
    Quasar524 Forum Participant Posts: 148
    edited July 2016 #430

    Just been looking at some sites around the West Midlands for a short stay and have been mildly shocked at some of the Club site prices during peak season.  I have for some time thought that the affiliated sites run by Morris Leisure to be expensive, but now I find that some CC sites (Moreton-in-Marsh for example) are more expensive, albeit not by much.

    We have also just booked a commercial site in Cumbria in August, where a serviced pitch comes in at £19 a night.  Not one we have been to before, but from their website gallery facilities look to be of a decent standard.

  • Oldgirl and Staffy
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    edited July 2016 #431

    We have returned to Wales from France for the summer as my husband is due to have a cataract operation some time in August.   We are so used to using French sites and French aires that booking a Club site in the UK has become quite a rarity.  It was therefore with some shock that I noticed the fee for one night at St Davids' site this week in the middle of the week before school holidays start came to £26 for a unit and two people on a grass pitch.

    Sorry Caravan Club, but this is one member who is seriously considering ending my membership.  It is getting too expensive for us as pensioners. We are also members of the other Club and there are always alternatives.   In the case of St Davids, there are several good sites available - one right next door which has just been redeveloped with new facilities at far less cost.

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2016 #432

    hence the rise of orgs like Britstops and the Pubstopover network...

    even with the extensive CL/CS networks of the two clubs, it can be tricky to find the odd 'en route' one night stopover location....when a fiver a night for a parking place with no services would do the job, it makes it makes a bit hard to bear at £26 a
    night, often for facilities you probably wont use...Sad

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #433

    I suppose some who have high value leisure vehicle have to economise some where others do not need or want toWink

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2016 #434

    We have returned to Wales from France for the summer as my husband is due to have a cataract operation some time in August.   We are so used to using French sites and French aires that booking a Club site in the UK has become quite a rarity.  It was therefore
    with some shock that I noticed the fee for one night at St Davids' site this week in the middle of the week before school holidays start came to £26 for a unit and two people on a grass pitch.

    Sorry Caravan Club, but this is one member who is seriously considering ending my membership.  It is getting too expensive for us as pensioners.
    We are also members of the other Club and there are always alternatives.   In the case of St Davids, there are several good sites available - one right next door which has just been redeveloped with new facilities at far less cost.

    So did you book elsewhere instead? 

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2016 #435

    OGS, am I right in thinking you're just looking for an overnight stop? If so, there is a whole string of CLs along that stretch of the Welsh coastline.Two in particular I can recommend but they're back in the Ten by/Saunders foot area so maybe to far away.
    Hope you find something to suit! Happy

  • Wildwood
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    edited July 2016 #436

    We have returned to Wales from France for the summer as my husband is due to have a cataract operation some time in August.   We are so used to using French sites and French aires that booking a Club site in the UK has become quite a rarity.  It was therefore
    with some shock that I noticed the fee for one night at St Davids' site this week in the middle of the week before school holidays start came to £26 for a unit and two people on a grass pitch.

    Sorry Caravan Club, but this is one member who is seriously considering ending my membership.  It is getting too expensive for us as pensioners.
    We are also members of the other Club and there are always alternatives.   In the case of St Davids, there are several good sites available - one right next door which has just been redeveloped with new facilities at far less cost.

    That site looks a bit on the high side for the area but other sites are better value.

  • Lansdorf
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    edited July 2016 #437

    We are on Seacroft in Norfolk and it is £33.80 per night. Mind you that includes a bar, swimming pool and musical entertainment in said bar by various "turns". I thought it was expensive but it is full and is clearly very popular so I assume others think
    it is not expensive. 

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2016 #438

    We are on Seacroft in Norfolk and it is £33.80 per night. Mind you that includes a bar, swimming pool and musical entertainment in said bar by various "turns". I thought it was expensive but it is full and is clearly very popular so I assume others think
    it is not expensive. 

    OH and I were there for 5 nights as part of a tour at the end of June. It was £25 for us then I think and given the nightly entertainmant, swimming pool with life-guard, reasonably priced restraunt etc seemed reasonable. We did not want these additioal facilities
    and I doubt that many using the site did other than at the weekend. 

  • KjellNN
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    edited July 2016 #439

    Would like to visit that area, but as we would not use the "extras", we think having to pay £25 per night in June (or September)  is just way too much.

    We will look for a CL instead.

  • Wildwood
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    edited July 2016 #440

    We are on Seacroft in Norfolk and it is £33.80 per night. Mind you that includes a bar, swimming pool and musical entertainment in said bar by various "turns". I thought it was expensive but it is full and is clearly very popular so I assume others think
    it is not expensive. 

    Value for money is dependant on what you want from a site. We would not want the bar and entertainment or the restaurant so it would not attract us. That does not mean others agree with us it is simply we all want different things from a site.

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2016 #441

    We are on Seacroft in Norfolk and it is £33.80 per night. Mind you that includes a bar, swimming pool and musical entertainment in said bar by various "turns". I thought it was expensive but it is full and is clearly very popular so I assume others think
    it is not expensive. 

    Value for money is dependant on what you want from a site. We would not want the bar and entertainment or the restaurant so it would not attract us. That does not mean others agree with us it is simply we all want different things from a site.

    We stayed there (as said earlier) about a fortnight ago for £25 a night for two over 5 nights. The additional facilities were of no interest to us but the location fitted nicely into or touring route.

  • Fisherman
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    edited July 2016 #442

    At  this tme of year "peak"stick to Cl's. Just returned from an immaculate CL, Hard grass pitches with EHU.£12 per night. Sole occupiers first night, total 2 units thereafter.

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2016 #443

    At  this tme of year "peak"stick to Cl's. Just returned from an immaculate CL, Hard grass pitches with EHU.£12 per night. Sole occupiers first night, total 2 units thereafter.

    our pals are off to one this morning in the Cotswolds, £12, lovely village.....unfortunately, we have 'guests' arriving for the weekend so cant join them.....but lovely sites at low prices are definitely still out there...Happy

  • tigerfish
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    edited July 2016 #444

    The post a bit earlier by Oldgirl and Staffy worries me quite a bit because she has put her thumb on quite a serious issue.

    OGS has not posted much of late, but long serving members will recall that she was one of the originals and was noted for incisive and well thought through comments.

    I am totally in agreement with her that the Club is in danger of losing the plot here.  There seems to be the same attitude displayed by CC management, as affected the judgement of Captain RL Smith the Captain of the Titanic, who when being warned of possible Icebergs ahead declined to slow down!

    Club site rates have simply got far too expensive!  I cannot remember the last time that I stayed on one.  I always use CL's now or also other commercial sites nearby which are inevitably cheaper than the CC Club site.

    I am not going to trot out the old maxime of once being able to recoup your annual membership quite quickly when using CC facilities.  That was when this organisation was a Club in the true sense of the word.  Today the club concept is a  thing of the past, and we must accept that the CC is now a very big business, catering for the needs of a specific target audience,the caravanning fraternity, much as the AA and the RAC are no longer clubs either, but in their case cater for the motorist.

    But in order to thrive in a difficult market, all business's must keep an eye  on market pressures.  I would submit that today the CC is in danger of losing membership numbers  and as a result, business levels, if it doesn't watch the competative nature of its priceing structure.

    Today it is very often the dearest option, not the good deal it once was!

    TF

  • MichaelT
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    edited July 2016 #445

    The post a bit earlier by Oldgirl and Staffy worries me quite a bit because she has put her thumb on quite a serious issue.

    OGS has not posted much of late, but long serving members will recall that she was one of the originals and was noted for incisive and well thought through comments.

    I am totally in agreement with her that the Club is in danger of losing the plot here.  There seems to be the same attitude displayed by CC management, as affected the judgement of Captain RL Smith the Captain of the Titanic, who when being warned of possible
    Icebergs ahead declined to slow down!

    Club site rates have simply got far too expensive!  I cannot remember the last time that I stayed on one.  I always use CL's now or also other commercial sites nearby which are inevitably cheaper than the CC Club site.

    I am not going to trot out the old maxime of once being able to recoup your annual membership quite quickly when using CC facilities.  That was when this organisation was a Club in the true sense of the word.  Today the club concept is a  thing of the past,
    and we must accept that the CC is now a very big business, catering for the needs of a specific target audience,the caravanning fraternity, much as the AA and the RAC are no longer clubs either, but in their case cater for the motorist.

    But in order to thrive in a difficult market, all business's must keep an eye  on market pressures.  I would submit that today the CC is in danger of losing membership numbers  and as a result, business levels, if it doesn't watch the competative nature
    of its priceing structure.

    Today it is very often the dearest option, not the good deal it once was!

    TF

    Write your comments here...but sites are full......

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #446

    But as chewed over time and time again on this thread ,people can as us, use mostly cc sites because it suits, also the hundreds of thousands of nights "sold" by both major clubs ,who have similar biusiness models, seem to be gaining more usage,as the leisure vehicle population is it seems not going to stop expanding,but then the niche "holiday camp" style sites that have on their few camps only recently started to upgrade and use off peak cheapies, which attract some, as do the overseas sites,  that most steer clear of in the peak times because of their higher than either clubs prices, it is apreciated that some on "fixed"incomes think prices of sites are getting too high, but so are the services that all buisness are having to employ,

    Supermarkets "reduceing" prices but at the expense of others in the food chain (ask Goldie), so its swings and roundabouts every where , in any area it is a matter of "choice" everywhere, and as stated above the hundreds of thousands that use the major clubs seem to have made theirs

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2016 #447

    Today it is very often the dearest option, not the good deal it once was!

    Ecept that for every club site in a popular area, and that's most of them you can find cheaper and more expensive sites. Some non club are charging over £40, some peak at £50 per night, while the club is about £30, (like for like numbers) some charge a lot for kids starting at 13 not 18 like the club, some charge for dogs, awnings. 

    But if its too expensive don't go

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #448

     Corners   That is what has been said over and over and seems to go right over the heads of those still living in the past, look at the complaints that some cls are charging a rate that can give some return for their mostly quite large investments,instead of the £5 a night it should beUndecidedWink

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2016 #450

    well if you will go abroad...

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