Have CAMC over priced some sites
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Are wages of site employees less in, for example Germany, France, Italy or Scandinavia? Are facilities worse?
Peak prices are often more, taking that from other sources as we do not travel in peak times, but off peak prices, such as listed by ACSI, are considerably less.
If those sites abroad can offer good off peak prices, why cannot our Club do similar? There are some UK commercial sites that offer good deals, or that are members of ACSI, why is our Club not competing with them?
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If those sites abroad can offer good off peak prices, why cannot our Club do similar? There are some UK commercial sites that offer good deals, or that are members of ACSI, why is our Club not competing with them?
If the club were to reduce off peak times then they would have to increase peak costs to balance I suspect. Remember also that many can only holiday in peak times. Further up thread it was stated that the CC made £1 million profit on its sites. That is not a lot given the number of sites. There are more ways to compete than on price. The CC provides the type and standard of site with the infrastructure that many want.
This year I have/will have used 22 sites on planned tour routes. 11 of these have been cc sites, 6 CCC sites, 4 commercial sites and 1 CL. I want these sites at a specific location at a specific time and each for 5 nights. Last year was similar and CC sites are generally our first choice.
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In case anyone is tempted to question why we collect this data or sneer that they are too busy enjoying themselves to count I do this out of interest and with a very little time on a spreadsheet all is revealed.
I suppose a look at our joint bank statement/credit card would soon produce such info. It is simply that I have no interest in how much I spend on food, admissions, lunches out etc. The only factor for me is fuel, site fees, caravan purchase/depreciation, insurances, services etc.
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What it seems about "cheap" off peak in the Uk ,the majority of the few " loss leader" offers are from holday camp style companies with large sites that make it cheaper to stay open ,than the costs of closing down and reopening off peak, but are normally run with just a skeleton, staff and minimal facilities compared to the peaks periods where the holiday maker families pay very high prices
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cant speak for the whole of over there, but one site I do know of offers a sort of bonus card for either euro 400 or 500, for this you get a svcd pitch at approx euro 14 per night which includes 7 kw of lece per day, swimming pool (out door normally April thru Sept), free wifi area, etc.. The bonus card is valid for 2 years so you can stay on site for just 2 weeks and return whenever until you have used your investment, and that is what it is an investment for the site owner, they have your money no matter how long you stay and i guess they invest this which is additional income for them, not sure how many bonus cards they have in circulation at any one time but they are very popular.
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...but that £50 a day isnt just for the site fee, surely that's a total living expense?
even folk who stay and tour in the uk need to by fuel and food, etc? especially those who travel from Cornwall to the northern Isles or those from the north of the U.K. who come to the West Country, who will,be spending a fair chunk on fuel, as much (or more) than someone visiting (say) the Loire etc.
perhaps it would cost KJ (or anyone else) considerably more than £50 a day to do a similar tour here?
for him, it seems that doing it there rather than here is the cheaper option, hence his point that touring here on club sites is more expensive (too expensive).
i know that is cheaper for us to be 'away' on top class sites in the spring/Autumn/winter than it is to try and replicate that length of tour on club sites, and that includes a £450 ferry cost. our insurance is annual for all types of holiday and we have it whether we went abroad in the van or not.
spread over 100 days the £4.50 might knock club sites back to (say) £25 but our average site price would be around €18 (although we don't always stay on sites)
add in the far cheaper costs for food, wine, fuel (in Spain), general entertainment and it's clear any reasonable length tour will be much cheaper per day, all in....
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The problem here is folk trying to hide costs. Apart from ferry and additional insurance costs don’t forget fuel (generally cheaper but much longer distances), Vignettes and road tolls etc. So if you add that up plus your camp fees and divide by the number of days you will get a rough idea of basic cost before food, entertainment etc.
The last time I went to Italy the road tolls were about
France, one way - £89.00
Swiss vignettes- (annual) but used twice £64.00
Italy about £30.00
if we tour in the UK apart from diesel and camp costs the rest wouldn’t apply, except maybe M6 toll road
Just worked out what the daily rate of this present trip is likely to be but haven’t included diesel, food, entertainment etc and as near possible estimate is £52/day. I haven’t included Rookesbury Park at £24/day
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i know that is cheaper for us to be 'away' on top class sites in the spring/Autumn/winter than it is to try and replicate that length of tour on club sites, and that includes a £450 ferry cost. our insurance is annual for all types of holiday and we have it whether we went abroad in the van or not.
spread over 100 days the £4.50 might knock club sites back to (say) £25 but our average site price would be around €18 (although we don't always stay on sites)
In my experience a reduction of £4.50 a day during majority of April to end of July and September would reduce club sites to more like £20 but other sites are available.
David says that he rarely eats out and cost for him is £50 - KjNell says that he does eat out part of the time and his UK costs have been £50.
I looked at our spending for two months of our last holidays (April/May and June/July) and credit card says £38 per day plus an average of £2 a day in advance deposits. I can probably add maximum of £5 a day (overestimate) for odd bus fare, odd coffee not on card and therefore without other food/cake as these would be on card. So for me £45 a day ......... Oh yes plus £1.50 a day for my evening scotch. So £46.50 and not far of K's estimate.
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perhaps it would cost KJ (or anyone else) considerably more than £50 a day to do a similar tour here?
BB I am on my 12th day away right now and have been spending my days in a very similar fashion to KJ so thought I would check my spend. So far it is working out at £70 per day and I am not on a CMC site! If I had stayed on the Club site 5 miles away it would have cost me another £200 or £14 per day. The only thing I haven't got that the Club site would have provided is a shower but in addition to a hard standing pitch and 16 amp EHU I have a dedicated water tap on the pitch and the owner is allowing me to pipe my grey waste into the bushes.Having an on board shower, I would be daft to stay on the Club site.
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I think i have said this befoere, you can cut and dice the figures however you like, but at the end of the day another mans meat is another mans poison and you can debate CC prices or whatever until the desert sands freeze and the camels come skating home but never agree on something that is suitable for all, or for that matter expect the club to take all of this seriously, unless of course revenue slumps which i dont think in the near term is going to happen.
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I’m impressed with any person who can mix their metaphors with such aplomb-well done👍🏻
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. I have forwarded this discussion to my colleagues to review for their reference.
The Club also has special offers to try and make sure you get more holiday for your money so make sure you check these out. There are currently three UK site offers all year round, including 50% off midweek, bring the children for just £1 per night or simply tour for less for £15. As well as this we work with trusted partners to bring you savings on everything from travel costs to fabulous days out.
With regards to this discussion please can I ask members to keep the conversation friendly and constructive at all times, despite different preferences of holidaying and different experiences. We need to ensure that Club Together remains a friendly and informative place to be where members can share different views whilst still being respectful to each other. Otherwise we will have to review who can access the forum as we need to ensure Club Together is a friendly place to be.
Many thanks for your understanding.
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I don't think so as I often see folk that arrive the same time and leave before my five nights or at same time. Folk that I speak to seem to stay no more than 6 or 7 nights. I suspect that on certain sites in school hols there maybe a number of families staying 9 days or longer.
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Depends on what ferry crossing CY and insurance costs. Just totting up planned trip of a similar duration. Assuming average site costs of €15 a night ( we plan to use a mixture of Aires, Municipal and ACSI) our nightly cost will be £34. Very similar to a peak CAMC site.
So CAMC sites are not really as prohibitive, by comparison, as you say.
Of course for those that go for 60 / 90 days the sums are somewhat different.
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