Coed-Y-Llwyn Caravan Club Site - Electricity
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We stayed at the Carnon Downs site with friends one chilly early spring. The supply there is 10 amps, we shared a bollard and our friends kept tripping it (they of the domestic electric kettle, full blast heating school of thinking.) We made sure we were not connected to them on future visits!
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and how many do you know who switch off the heating when they make a cuppa?
We do, for one. We also switch it off when we use our microwave, which we use for nearly every evening meal.
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No so, peedee. We have a largish 4 berth outfit and once the temperature up to a comfortable level we switch it down from 2 Kw to 1 Kw and the temps maintained.
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Coed-Y-Llwyn? Burn Lane? Stonehaven?
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The biggest issue for us oN site is that it seems everyone comes back on to the site at roughly the same time. This means there is a huge power draw and the fuses on the main switchboard cannot cope. Each EHU socket has a limit of 16 amps. The sites have 3 phases of electricity and each phase should be balanced out this is why you might see your neigbour with electricity when yours is out. We lost a phase tonight on the main switchboard and had to get western power out, while they fixed the blown fuse they said they had 6 emergency callouts all from campsites..
So infact it was the fault of Western Power and NOT the CAMC
I hope this explains it..
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I must be a bit confused, Mark. I thought if excess draw on the power took out the fuse to one of the phases, then that would be due to CAMC's customers excessive demand on the power supply rather than Western Power's fault.
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I've got to disagree here, and it just shows that "blame culture" is everywhere. If anyone is at "fault" it's firstly the "I've paid for it so I'm having it" customers. Heating the world through your awning is plain excessive and selfish, no wonder a site will overload. So it's our club customers not the power company who are responsible for their usage.
In my opinion metered electricity will go some way to get people to be more responsible. And I'll get to sell more gas
JK
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Sorry I was responding to Marks post above, forgot to hit the quote button!
Off to dig some vans out of the swamp now
JK
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Good post JK, from the supplier perspective, agree wholeheartedly
the evidence of that 'I've paid for it' culture is clearly evident in this thread as well as on site contributing to the issues described.
...but you mustn't be too hard on your customers, we don't want them thinking they're at 'Boot Camp' or 'Endurance Test'....
all that hard work setting a control to gas rather than electric would have anyone (even Bear Grylls) looking for a lie down...
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Put simply - I have on a couple of times had to run on gas. Power outage for a couple of days on two occasions but not due to site usage situations.
However if a site cannot supply electricity at the bollard under normal circumstances I would expect a refund for EHU cost just as I would from my internet provider for loss of service that I have contracted for.
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Tinwheeler, the fuse had corroded contact points which made it drop out...
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You and others are clutching at straws ET. The writing should be on the wall. New sites I have visited recently have fitted meters e.g. Love2stay although they are not in use for those only staying a few days. The face of our hobby is changing in more ways than one.
peedee
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If anyone is at "fault" it's firstly the "I've paid for it so I'm having it" customers
Yes, we've come across that, in fact, I think I have read some on other threads advocating just that very attitude on CT
On the majority of CL's we visit we try to be economical of the power we take.
Over there we are usually on metered electric. We obviously get an allowance with the daily Acsi rate but after that the meter kicks in, so for us heating by gas is very much the norm. When we are cooking the heat from the oven, grill and gas rings provide additional heat so heating gets turned down.
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Posted on 02/04/2018 07:50 by EasyT
In my opinion metered electricity will go some way to get people to be more responsible. And I'll get to sell more gasWith the cost of electric versus the cost of gas I doubt that somehow
....Alan, no doubt you're talking about your own situation, but no one looking to specifically use gas in lieu of electric would continue to buy it in 6kg Calor bottles.....would they?
if the club reduced pitch fees to remove the electricity content the saving should be around £5 per night in winter and £2 in summer..
these are the going rates for sites that have a seperate charge for EHU...
so anyone who would rather not pay the metered price for leccy would surely be looking for a cheaper source of gas....
many users on long term sites (elsewhere) choose gas because it is cheaper than local electric, certainly this would also be the case with pumped LPG.
Of course, if someone buys their gas in the most popular (most expensive) UK sized bottles, I can see why they perfer it to stay in the bottle.....
.....CC electricity outage.....looking for a refund?.....good luck with that one.....
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Thankyou for elaborating. Your first post suggested a different scenario.
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I guess it would be down to each individual as to what they thought best. Some like CS would just pay for it no matter what they used others might use it more frugally and still others like Merv might prefer to use gas and not to pay anything at all if they had solar panels and inverters.
peedee
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i can see ADs point....just plugging in is so easy, that's why we all do it, but ever increasing demand is pushing prices ever higher and making it harder for the infrastructure to cope...
having a non EHU option would certainly work for some, especially in summer, but metering (whilst seen as the work of the devil) if priced to correspond with CCs current 'rate' at least allows a proper choice for those who wish to continue a full reliance on electric, those who choose to use none and anything in between, where profligate users aren't frowned on as the watch word would now be 'I've used it so I'll pay for it'.....subtle difference from the usual thoughts...
the current system, while easy to operate and administer will have a degree of unfairness where frugal users are subsidising those who are 'less careful'.....
so, Alan, costings.....to make it easy let's talk price not KWH.
....if I was charged (say) £5 a night for electric as part of the pitch fee, I'd need to compare that with using my LPG....
my Gaslow tank holds 12 kg or roughly 24 litres....
even in winter, id be confident of lasting much more than a week on this much but let's say a week to err on the safe side....so that's 3.4ltr a day @ 60p per ltr is £2 a day....so 40% of the cost.....or a saving of 60%
thats a £21 saving per winter week which is a fair incentive for regular tourers, especially considering the number of 'price' threads we get on CT.
however if I lasted 10 days (more likely) that's 2.4ltr a day @ 60p per ltr is £1.44 a day....so only 28% of the cost.....or a saving of 72%
...that's now upto £25 a week saving, so not to be sneezed at....
in fact, my local LPG is a tad less than 60p so a bigger saving......
throw in the fact that the heating is more powerful on gas and the fridge performs better on gas than leccy, what's not to like....?
and as the TV/Sat/lights/charging all work from 12v (all free from the daylight) and the oven and hob are gas, do we really need mains electric.....and if so, surely not at 16a.....?
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