The 1pm arrival message getting through
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Quite right ,I understand that no site staff should be working alone in most cases even toilet blocks
And as mentioned before it is only at busy times normally Friday and Saturday that sites tend to have the full quota of staff on duty as with most jobs site staff are only expected to work the hours that they are contracted for , although many work more for no additional payment
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I was struck by eyebrowsb's post on page 13 when he mentioned being stuck getting out from site and also getting back in due to a blockage caused by early arrivals.
Surely this is a Health and Safety issue as well. Ambulances, Fire Brigade etc. may be unable to gain access so I sincerely hope that if access is being blocked (or even if it isn't) that until the club come up with a different system, these selfish people who arrive early are sent on their way. Better still if there a system put in force to penalise their selfishness, maybe by having a report sent to H.O. with a 3 and out rule. No bookings allowed for repeat offenders. Until their behaviour carries some penalty they'll not change their ways.
Don't care about what happens abroad, even though I also frequent sites that do allow early access, as the rules are clear in this club, just like all of the other rules. Don't like it? Don't use CAMC sites. Easy answer.
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But yet again it seems on sites that you use reception is manned and they are normally it seems very large sites with enough staff to all be doing their own separate jobs not "multi tasking"as it seems both the major pitch providers in the UK, the staff are capable of
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In my experience these ‘abroad’ sites tend to be family run, not a countrywide network of sites. Far easier to do, In many ways, some circumnavigating certain required issues, doing their own thing with no need to standardise and keep a huge membership happy.
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The Club would have to change the system to accommodate my suggestion. I work on the principle that to change behaviour you have to nudge the responsibility to the individual. Its easy enough to tick the first box in order to get through the process but if you are responsible for putting an actual time you can't avoid the responsibility.
David
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Since the majority of sites tend to be "out of town" I am surprised that this 'early arrival' congestion seems to be such a problem or so the posts would suggest. Perhaps the design and layout of the entrance area at sites require a bit more thought.
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Out of town = rural = country lanes. See my earlier post re Hurn Lane site.
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I absolutely agree, David. It’s just that present circumstances almost conspire to favour that tiny minority of folk that willingly and deliberately ignore the rules. They do, as you suggest, need to step up to their fairness towards the majority of the membership. But you are also right, the hard of understanding need to be somehow helped in their community minded behaviours.
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While some are some are not but the common feature is that they are usually off a busy road. The design is fine, they all can take three or more outfits without causing any problems while being booked it.
But if there are early arrivals that cannot be processed then they will back up onto the roads and cause congestion. Look at my photos earlier (and that was a town btw).
If there are no early arrives then there will be no congestion.
CY I'm puzzled that you keep on trying to blame early arrivals and the resulting congestion on anything rather than the selfish few who keep on doing it? Before you said it was the club itself setting an arrival hour, now it's the design of the site. Anything but the people who decide to arrive early, why?
The only people responsible for arriving early are those think the rules they have voluntarily agreed to abide by do not apply to them.
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It is not always possible to leave a site at a time to get one to a site by the opening time should that be 1:00. Members are expected to be off. before 12:00, and if only travelling a relatively short disance, say 30 mls, to one's next site it's a heck of a job to make that journey last an hour. We regularly do short hops between site and would much prefer a 12:00 opening time, but it is what it is and we will dawdle along, annoying all those motorists stuck behind us doing under 30 mph.
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I understand that Nellie, for example the time between Hawes and a few neighbouring sites is less than an hour but there are solutions. There are more scenic routes and also several stopping points between, including places to lay by or stop for a coffee. Just needs a little thought and consideration,
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Those scenic routes are fine if you are in a M/H but it is a different kettle of fish when towing a longish caravan, and unfortunately not all road have suitable laybyes to accommodate our unit. We usually use CLs, where there is often the chance of arranging an earlier arrival time should it state 1:00, or later, but that's not the case with club sites for reasons stated by yourself and others, so it does limit which club sites we chose to visit (as well as cost of course) during any of our tours.
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That’s fine, you have found a solution but there are alternatives and stops you could research and make. Take for example Tenant's auction house cafe restaurant and Mainsgill Farm shop both just a mile or so from two adjacent sites to Hawes and each with very big car parks. I’ve seen caravans, trailer units and coaches in both of these and heard of members apparently enjoying a brunch in these places prior to coming on to site who well recommend them.
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Cae Mawr is similar, any more than 3 units waiting to get in would prevent any one, even in a car, from returning to or leaving the site, and there is no way that the club could change the access without great expense.
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- Last year we had 30min journey from one club site in Norfolk to another but when I asked if we could leave at about 1230 the lady? staff member said no we had to be off by 1200 as the pitch would need to be "inspected"?before it could be used again (it was a hardstand 🤔 )
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It is unfortunately a problem with a caravan for a short hop. Although unless a spot decision it will be possible to research potential stopping places prior to the journey. However, for those with caravans I doubt it applies to that many. We only did one such hop (except from home) in 16 years, having a car available meant most were at least 60 miles. Now with a MH we do lots of short hops, this trip one of only 5 miles, but as you surmise it’s not an issue.
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Mucvh has been made of the ability of satnavs to fine tune arrival times. If the "One O'clockers" are joined by three or four "early arrivers" who, for the avoidance of doubt, I do NOT condone, who decide to abide by the rules, there is still going to be congestion. What are the proposals to address this apparent problem? I rarely arrive anywhere on the dot of one, so it doesn't affect me but this thread certainly has stirred up the ire of some.
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At sites we have visited where there has been a queue likely to cause an issue (arriving after one, I might add) they have taken our card and we have checked in after pitching. If you only have the digital card, I assume they could note down the details.
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when we last went to Southport, there was a hand written sign attached to the sandwich board outside that basically said, ''it's 12 o'clock when I say it is'' .... At 12 o'clock when there was no sign of any warden I went into the office to ask when we were going to be allowed in. That went down well!! 🙄 The 2 pairs of wardens were too busy talking! But it was comical how they made sure I was kept in my place in the queue of 3.
The site was half empty/full
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Arrived more or less on time
You state that as if that is somehow alright, it should be on time or later. That is what you agreed to isn't it? More or less is just not good enough in my view of course.
the queue was merely a function of the arbitrarily arrival time rule.
No the queue was probably caused by people arriving more or less on time or earlier, after all you don't know what time people in front of you started to arrive and if there were 20 units that could imply many arrived before time.
In any case there will always be an 'arbitrary' arrival time unless you are advocating 24/7 arrivals
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