PHEV/EV Charging
Noticed this yesterday, from the 5th April 2022 charging up a PHEV has increased from £2.00 to £9.00, for us that work out at 90 pence a kWh ?
https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/whats-on/caravan-club-news/vehicle-charging-on-uk-club-campsites/
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Seen elsewhere on a thread about the EV charging price increase .
"Can we lobby the CMC to provide diesel and petrol pumps on sites???
I'd quite happily pay £9 for a tank, half a tank, quarter of a tank of fuel......"
I whole heartedly agree !
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£9 is good value to fully charge an EV but for a PHEV with about 20-40 mile electric range it’s extremely expensive.
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https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/whats-on/caravan-club-news/vehicle-charging-on-uk-club-campsites/
With petrol/diesel costing nigh on £10 per gallon, I don’t think the PHEV is exactly expensive but there’s a possible imbalance in place with the full EV needing to charge for far longer so, on the face of it, getting more for the money. However, it may be that it’s assumed people will charge overnight and the full EV in that case probably wouldn’t take much more than the PHEV given the length of time it takes to fully charge from an ordinary 240v supply.
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Definitely, although with using the dedicated cable there shouldn’t be an overheating problem and car manufacturers even tell you how long it will take to charge using the various inputs. 19+ hours on a domestic 13amp connection rings a bell. I understand it’s possible to damage EV batteries by using a 240v 'trickle' charge on a regular basis and such use should be reserved for emergency charging only.
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That’s the best way really. You get a quicker charge and don’t have to reduce your use in the caravan to compensate.
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We've actually experienced one of our cables heating up when we plugged in at our daughter's house, it wasn't for long either, yes there are other problems which could arise. I don't think CAMC understands EVs.
As I said before use the C&CC if you need to as it's all inclusive which negates the need to pay for electricity you've already paid for whilst you reduce the supply to your van. No-one can use more than 16amps. (I haven't checked to see if this approach has changed.)
And no, we won't be taking our EV to a CAMC site but some don't have a choice.
A couple of days ago I read a review on here saying the electrics at Lower Wensleydale weren't too good so the reviewer stated they ran their fridge on gas but the fan heater in the awning was ok!!
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As with most club prices, well you know what I'm going to say.
Personally if I had a EV (and it will happen soonish) I'd be looking for either convenience, in which case do it on site, or prices which may be off site.
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I recently spent a few hours, working, at a 300 pitch site near Newquay. The owner said his price is now 50 pence a unit, he expects it to rise again before long and he has taken the decision not to allow EV charging.
He said the installation costs for a dedicated charfger were currently prohibitive.
Interestingly last week visited a “boutique” hotel in Sherborne, again for work, and they have one charger and the fee is £15.
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it may be that it’s assumed people will charge overnight and the full EV in that case probably wouldn’t take much more than the PHEV given the length of time it takes to fully charge from an ordinary 240v supply.
From what I have read about EVs, my thoughts exactly.
peedee
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But you might have a problem getting fuel!
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This 'scientific' experiment by carwow might be of interest?
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Which is anyone ever nearest to and by how much?
A power socket or a petrol station?
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I’m inclined to agree but battery range does vary with different models of car and charging times depend on the charging point used. See the thread by Chocolate Trees for a real life example.
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"Unless there is monumental advances in the charging times and battery ranges (distances) for electric vehicles then i think caravanning as we know it is doomed."
Well, until that happens you could just.........
"Stick to petrol and diesel you won't have a problem with charging."....................
as someone has suggested!
There are many reasons why EVs are limited for towing but its likely that the charging times and battery range will as said improve however, I think the biggest issue will be the ability to access charge points when towing, never mind the issues for people who cannot charge 'at home'.
Its possible that, depending on advances, a suitable EV tow car will be available when I will likely next change, but what the sums will look like compared to an ICE I dont know.
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Like last week?
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I think the original aims regarding C02 emitting ice engines was to encourage domestic owners towards electric vehicles, leaving the commercial side to develop alternatives over a longer period. C02 emissions make up the majority of damaging greenhouse gases.
The aim was also to conserve UK fossil fuel stocks and not allow reliance on other countries to supply them....have to say we've done better than some countries on that one as they've now learnt to their cost and probably ours in the long run with rising prices for everything.
Obviously CAMC wants to play their part in reducing greenhouse gases by applying high charge rates for electric vehicles on sites whilst encouraging polluting vehicles....?!! Or have I misread something on here?
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A bit of misinformation here. The lower charge rate of a so-called “granny charger” which gives 10amps maximum is far better than super chargers.
The plug on the granny charger has a thermistor to prevent overheating of the cable but, in general, extensive use of granny chargers is discouraged as a continuous current of 10 amps on an old domestic installation will expose any weaknesses in the wiring system, sockets etc.
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Either way it bears out manufacturers' recommendations that charging with the ‘granny charger' should be for emergency use rather than a regular occurrence.
What cannot be allowed for is the protected cable being connected to an extension lead of too small a CSA to carry the current which could cause problems.
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I have to admit I was a little surprised with the CMC, I thought they were in tune with the green technology, I have phoned the site apparently they are having a new EV charging point installed in the very near future.
However, I have carried out some research in the area we are going one EV charging point rates £1.00 per hour for a 7kWh charger to 40 pence a kWh for a 50 kW charger.
Plus the New Forest 7 kWh EV chargers 33 pence kWh, so not all doom a gloom, we will still be able to charge up our PHEV and save on our running costs.
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Nor anything very noticeable here but the area covered by the blockaded Midlands oil depot suffered. It’s a long time since I’ve experienced fuel rationing and closed forecourts.
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