PHEV/EV Charging
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OHs son took me to the hospital this morning in his VW 3?and says do not take any notice of the brochure MPC as he on mostly local journeys has only managed if light footed, about two thirds of what is advertised which seems to be without the radio,,Satnav, or aircon, in operation, and could be less in winter month's
Mind you it has lightning acceleration much needed with the traffic levels in this area
Very comfortable ride with suspension and weight of battery
Ps he said in conversation that "free charging" at supermarkets is under review(he works for Dunn Hunby)a part of the Tesco group) as it is becoming more noticeable that some are using the chargers without shopping in the stores that supply the facility, and he say that goes for many firms
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Unfortunately, making use of that lightning acceleration will decrease the MPC whereas using the regenerative braking effectively will increase it.
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We all drive in our own ways, I guess.🤷🏻♂️
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Ofgem, just emailed to let me know that the response to me is now in legal review, and may take a little longer as the team is very busy.
Very curios to see what they say now.
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metered hook ups on all pitches would be a fair way to go to.
So we would all now have to carry around a large supply of £1 or £2 coins to feed the meter.
Oh, hang on a mo.! I am just leaving site for home and there is still some £3 or more on the meter - lucky chap that next takes this pitch!
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Boats on our waterways ,seem to have a method of using metered electricity when moored up at EHUs by the use of a smart card
It may be the future but will be very expensive.to install on the thousands of EHUs on this clubs sites especially and as very few are owned by this club it would only be a viable proposition if the leases on sites were long enough and secure enough to make it viable
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Further "we are working on it" update from Ofgem on Friday.
"We’re still waiting for our legal team to review, however, they’ve said they’re aiming to provide us with comments by the end of next week."
In the meantime, Tesla opened 15 of their UK supercharging locations last week to non-tesla drivers. As a result Banbury now has 37 open rapid charger posts in 3 locations across 5 vendors, of which 34 are ultra-rapid (125Kw or more). Thats an incredible resource, and how reasonable sized towns need to be.
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Eventually got the charging info on the chargers at Cayton Village site.
“There are different charging options - £1.90 for 10 Kw / £3.80 20 Kw / £5.70 fr 30kw / £7.60 for 40Kw, hopefully this gives the picture the scale climbs.You won't need an app, this can be paid by contactless payment. Nayax are the payment provider.”
No a bad rate at 19p/kWh!
We’re at Bridlington this week, used the free charger at Tesco yesterday for a 2 hour top up so won’t be paying £9 for a top up at the van.
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Cheers for that Yorkieloiner
A full charger on our PHEV requires 10 kWh max so £1.90, just don't understand were the CMC gets these £9.00 from ?
I have started using Octopus Juice we are paying around 33p kWh a substantial saving on the CMC fixed £9.00 charge.
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We have just come back from a lovely CL on the border of Lincolnshire and Rutland, near Stamford. It's new, only opened last year, and they have hookups. For this season, they have just introduced meters for each pitch. A small standard meter in a shed clearly labeled, with the current electricity price shown in the shed. They ask you to read the meter on checkin and checkout and calculate the number of units (kWh) used. You have 10 kWh included free with the pitch per night. Them simply pay for any excess used in the same way you pay for the pitch (BACS or cash). All the terms are clearly laid out by the owner in an email before you complete booking so you know what the situation is.
https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/certificated-locations/england/rutland/belmesthorpe/skylark-barn/
For our 4 night stay, we used about 31kWh, so all included in the pitch fee. That was 2 adults using fridge, kettle, heating and hot water for showers and washing up.
Had we wanted to charge the car we could easily have done so, simply paying for exactly what we used. As it happens, we charged while out and about and didn't need to charge on pitch.
This is definitely the way forward, making campers aware of their usage and responsible for their self regulation on pitch.
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29p/kWh. The going rate, both acceptable and usefull.
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So - I got a full response from Ofgem in italics below. I have also forwarded this to the club.
Net net - the PHEV price is probably not legal. The full EV price is probably fine.
Apologies for the delay in coming back to you; as we explain in the “Taking Control” guide, it’s not always clear at first glance how the supply (and reselling) rules apply in different EV charging scenarios.
You should be aware that Ofgem does not advise on individual cases and, therefore, we’re unable to provide specific advice; however, in order to give as much assistance as possible, we’ve provided some information below but this is not intended as legal advice or to be fully comprehensive.
In short, we do consider accommodation used for holidaying purposes to be within scope of the reselling rules (see appendix 1 of the2002 MRP decision document).
However, the MRP would not apply if an inclusive charge were made for accommodation with no specified charge for electricity. Nor would it apply in a situation where a dedicated EV chargepoint is used. Based on the information you provided, it would appear that neither of these conditions are present: EV charging is done via a standard plugged connection, and payment is via a fee separate to the accommodation charge. Consequently, the MRP would apply to the EV charging arrangement you describe.
As our 2005 Guidance on the MRP explains, there are no hard and fast rules about the way in which the reseller calculates the bill for each individual purchaser. Ultimately it depends on whether or not the purchaser’s consumption is measured by way of a meter. As I understand it, this isn’t the case in this situation. As such, the reseller is responsible for estimating the bill on the basis of a methodology which must be explained to the purchaser on request. The reseller should use reasonable endeavours to recover no more than they paid for the power from their supplier.
You should be aware that while Ofgem has the power to set the MRP through a direction, we have no formal role in determining individual MRP disputes. These are, if necessary, resolved by the civil courts.
I hope this information is useful.
With regards,
[name removed by ChocolateTrees]
Innovation Link Advisor
Retail Directorate
10 South Colonnade
Canary Wharf
London
E14 4PU
Tel: 0207 901 xxxx
www.ofgem.gov.uk
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I can see the CMC simply stopping the charging of PHEV/EV on site unless from a dedicated EV charging point, at the end of the day they do not have to offer this option.
I simply charge our PHEV off site at commercial EV charging points less hassle
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I have been lobbying the Club over this. Our Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV does 30 miles on electric only, half as much when towing - £9 to drive 15 miles?!! I appreciate it would be difficult to come up with a flexible price for all the different PHEVs, but it must be worth doing something - just how many pure electric tow cars are going to use Club sites in 2022? My guess is virtually none, so the £9 charge is pointless.
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Why not go back to £2 pr £3 per PHEV charge per night? The idea that full EV users are identifying as PHEV users is nonsense. I imagine that the number of full EV users on club sites is vanishingly small (though I am one), and those that are there will happily pay the £9 for a charge given the convenience.
The possibility that a PHEV user will "sneak" a charge is not reduced by having a common price. Indeed it's increased as the cost of charging is (probably) unlawfully high.
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The £9 charge was probably introduced to discourage charging on site. I heard the Club is currently evaluating suppliers of electricity meters. If they do find a suppllier who meets the requirements, meters will be introduced when sites become due for an upgrade.
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I have no issue with subsidising full EV’s at all, in fact it will salve my conscience(in a small way) due to me driving a 3.5t oil burner. C&MC-have at it👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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I don't think so. The charge was £1 for PHEV and £8 for BEV. it t hen went up to £2 and £9 last year, then was standardised on £9 to simplify the system. If they wanted to discourage charging - ban it, just as the CCC have done. It's no harder to police a complete ban than it is to police a charge. Much easier in fact, as with a paid system some users will have paid and some wont. Now the wardens have to identify who has paid and who has not as opposed to ticking off all guests that are plugged in.
I believe they made a (semi) sensible decision, intended to simplify things for the wardens, and its back fired as its likely not legal, and discourages PHEVs as tow cars.
Personally, I hope meters come in sooner rather than later.
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Ah - Sorry Brue - I think you are right. By managers discretion only. I am not a CCC member, and picked that up else where - should have checked before passing on.
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On reflection I agree with you. Not having an electric vehicle I tend not to follow events concerning these too closely. On the other hand as a long proponent of metering I tend to keep an eye on what is happening with this and I certainly agree with your final point.
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