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  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1952

    As usual, you are twisting things, David - "defending the indefensible" - really? I have said,  more than once, that I simply cannot understand those who do not take up the offer of a free vaccination - you want it to be made compulsory,  I don't - as long as we're being told that vaccination is not 100% effective and whilst there is, admittedly a vanishingly small chance of unpredictable side effect, I don't consider those who decline "indefensible" - ill informed, socially negligent, selfish possibly but we live in a free society and that is their right however much we might disagree. frown

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1953

    I was ‘stupid’ enough to refuse & took the hard route-lost weight, cut out red meat, dropped dairy products. I not only cut my cholesterol levels but reversed early diabetes🤷🏻‍♂️. There are 2 sides to every story.

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  • SteveL
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    edited December 2021 #1955

    Of course it’s my view. As are your posts on the subject. However, I’m not the one calling another’s views crass, none of the definitions of which are particularly nice and certainly something I would never level at another poster. As it seems this thread is heading in the direction of many others lately and destined for closure, I will wish one and all a Merry and safe Christmas and retire to my Christmas dinner prep.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited December 2021 #1956

    But isn't that the point, anti vaxxers are taking up beds, which other folk who are waiting for life saving treatment can't have. So which ever way you look at it there is a possibility that someone is going to suffer unnecessarily and possibly die.

    I know who I would give the bed to and it would be the antuvaxxer, you reap what you sow. 

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1957

    Not all unvaccinated people are "anti vaxxers" though - I'd reserve that particular description for those who try to peddle fake news about the vaccine to dissuade others from taking up the offer. Some, perhaps many, decline the vaccine for principled reasons, albeit completely incomprehensible to you or me. So who is to judge whether an individual arriving at hospital needing treatment is one or the other? And as I suggested earlier there are other occasions when folk who act against medical advice turn out to need urgent treatment.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited December 2021 #1958

    But we are not talking about genuine reasons for not getting vaccinated.

    We are talking about those cretins that think it's a joke, that think it won't happen to them. I know, my DIL is one, pig headed selfish and stubborn.

    It really upsets me to see folk who are in pain daily not getting the treatment they need and deserve because of one of these type of people. 

    CY, some of the cases you mentioned they are getting quite strick with. If you are a smoker awaiting an operation the you will be told to quit or no op. Obese folk are told to lose weight or no op. Alcoholics are similarly told to stop drinking or they risk death. 

    Its a shame that the adverts/info on TV are not more blunt. Get the vaccine or die. 

  • Wherenext
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    edited December 2021 #1960

    Get the vaccine or die. 

    Or more likely TG, Get the vaccine or kill someone.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited December 2021 #1961

    The NHS don’t judge, at least at the source of treatment. They will carry on administering to all those who have eaten, drunk, smoked, injected, exercised, carnally indulged and been guilty of making a stupid decision at one time or another, without bias. So that’s  possibly a very large percentage of the population taken over a lifetime.
    I don’t particularly have any sympathy with the stand of those who can be vaccinated but won’t, but given that the vast majority of health care goes on those who over do it on my earlier categories, the anti vaxxer stance fits neatly into the “stupid decision” category. It just a bit more stupid given the overall current circumstances, that’s all.
    If you are going to penalise stupidity, then don’t stop, but penalise the the smokers, the drinkers, those too fat and unfit to function, those having unsafe sex, those injecting drugs, those who take part in dangerous sports. 🤷‍♀️ All of a sudden, lots more people appear unworthy of treatment taken as a whole.

    Many conditions and diseases are genetic, or strike randomly through no fault of the person concerned, and of course our ageing population has body parts that simply wear out. All such folks suffering such bad luck are deserving of being at the very front of the queue for NHS resources, but it’s very unfair, and unethical to judge one specific group without looking at the wider considerations. It’s a rare Western human that doesn’t have some small vice or other that can do without medical treatment of some sort.

    So, in short, let those without sin, cast the first stone!

  • Wherenext
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    edited December 2021 #1962

    Taking a break from this heated discussion can I just wish anyone involved in the Emergency services including shop workers, bin men/women/posties etc., Volunteers at vaccination centres etc.etc. a hearty Thank you all for keeping my life ticking over as near to normal as could be hoped for.

    I hope you all get to enjoy some Christmas Cheer, whenever that may be for you. Thanks.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited December 2021 #1963

    Good for you Rocky. That’s my route as well. Nowhere near needing statins thankfully, but my lockdown this year has been all about taking a long hard look at my lifestyle and changing it. My OH is in the genetically hard luck group, got both Cancer and a dicky ticker from his parents, but his level of fitness has seen him through everything at the moment. 

    I was a bit surprised when he had his heart attack, and spent some time on the recovery Wards visiting him. Most of the predominantly male patients weren’t as I expected, overweight. I mentioned this to one of the nurses, and her reply made the penny drop. Those really overweight simply don’t make it usually. A sobering (if you will excuse the pun) thought.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited December 2021 #1964

    I second this as well WN. We have family members who have worked throughout the whole shebang. Ambulance, Fire, Police, Care, Teachers etc… 👏👏👏

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1965

    Thanks for the advice👍🏻, I should’ve but I needed time to get my youth out of me. It’s a big world(or it was when I was young) & I needed to explore it, so I did. . .A bit too well. When I grew up I made changes & gladly they got me to my 60’s-Still surfing, still paddle boarding, canoeing & camping. I did good-for me that is with the least amount of destructive drugs going into me as possible🙂

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1966

    We are on the same page TG, I agree, they are not good people but the point is nothing can be done to turn the balance🤷🏻‍♂️

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1967

    "But we are not talking about genuine reasons for not getting vaccinated.

    We are talking about those cretins that think it's a joke, that think it won't happen to them. I know, my DIL is one, pig headed selfish and stubborn."

    And I can understand why you feel that way, but I pose the question again - who decides (on admission to hospital, maybe critically ill) whether an individual has a "genuine reason/principle" for being unvaccinated or is a "cretin"? undecided

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1968

    Hear Hear! I think that goes for all of us, whichever side of the discussion we are on. 👍

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1969

    There is something I’ve found out over the years-getting older is not a negative if we keep active & keep our weight down. To some it would be logic but I am obviously a slow starter😂. The Tree work pushed me to keep my fitness levels up too. If anyone will beat the odds it’s your OH for sure TDA. The active lifestyle is a boon for the mental health so power to him👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Lucky for him he has you to race against😊

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2021 #1971

    "You’re in luck - we've had loads of cancellations"

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1972

    Explain, please? (Inot the context in which the comment was made.) undecided

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited December 2021 #1973

    It’s a lifelong lifestyle for him Rocky. He didn’t actively seek promotion beyond Station Manager as he didn’t want to end up a Desk Jockey, he worked out on the Fire Station when at work, and after always cycling or running to work, hit the cycling trail big style on retirement. Such a shock to his system getting the Big C, but it’s in his family genes sadly. The Heart Attack was possibly all the stress from two years of surgery and chemo. He had a rough time in hospital second time in, I would have liked to have throttled a good number of the so and so’s who were on the same Ward, but hey ho, he’s still here, doing ok and having a ball. I used to be superfit, but ended up a desk jockey, every promotion was a few more pounds on😱 But I am getting there now, and enjoying it. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2021 #1974

    Good on you, TDA 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • ABM
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    edited December 2021 #1975

    Had a Phone call on Thursday afternoon from Farmer C  informing me that my monthly prescription was ready for collection at my local AND  I should ask for a box of 'tests' when collecting 'em.

     Grabbed a supermarket carrier & dashed off { slowly of course } to obey the instructions.

     Arrived to be the only customer they had at that point and put on my silly hat to introduce myself as " Elf and Safety " --  got a giggle out of the staff and my carrier filled by them BUT , alas, the comment - we have no bananas oops sorry should have said We have no Tests available, had none for a week or more, so sorry.  

    Suppose I can repeat the request for 'em on line like last time -- well it keeps the posties employed now that the seasonal rush is over   { innocent  }

    Hope you all are keeping a weather-eye on the sprouts in the oven and/or microwave !!

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited December 2021 #1977

    May be your anti-vaxer thought that if she accepted the jab she would get a singing voice like your Polish vaccinator, LLM.laughing

  • ABM
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    edited December 2021 #1978

    I wonder about these Anti-vaxxers undecided.

    If they regularly stand outside the Vaccination Sites and see hundreds of  customers coming and going without even the faintest sound of sirens etc then, surely, it must put their beliefs under extreme pressure, must it not ??

  • LLM
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    edited December 2021 #1979

    Be warned.  Have needle will travel and jab.  I have yet to be asked but all I need is a couple of heavies, a clerk and we could be knocking on your door  "offering" a jab.  Now, back to the present.  After the Port should the digestive be Brandy, Almagnac, Cognac, or Calvados? Decisions, decisions, decisions 😜.

  • ABM
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    edited December 2021 #1980

    Not sure I'd be trusting your backroom staff though, LLM, as keen and efficient as they might seem to be !!.

    Today I got a phone text from NHS telling me to get my Booster jab sorted, pronto.  Wouldn't have minded too much but I was B-Jed nearly two months ago !

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2021 #1981

    I am suffering from what was a bad dose of a cold?,not so bad now ,sore throat ,headacre gone, bit of a cough still,, and when i did my daily report to Imperial college ,i was asked to have a drive through test at a local centre ,which i managed to get at a local centre this morning,at 0830   would be only have to leave OH for a short period,

    This morning i get a text telling me my appointment is cancelled as the centre is closed ,the nearest  centre is now Stevenage ,which would mean at least two hours leaving OH,not an option

    If i have a postal test it may arrive tomorrow? undecided