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  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #662

    +1 I think you're right but perhaps economic pressures will be greater than others? 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #663

    It'll be a long time before life as we knew it returns, if indeed it ever does. I think we all have to expect a new 'normal' to develop as R2b suggested.

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2021 #664

    Yes, makes sense. I think the problem I foresee with that, is that some folks will see that as a ‘trigger’, thinking it’s all over. Even with a low ‘R’ rate, infections could rise rapidly in those circumstances. I’m just thinking out loud...

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #665

    Personally I think if folk want to pay for it they should be able to do just that, @ say £40 a jab it’ll put money back into the system👍🏻

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2021 #666

    Yes, I realise that. RTB mentioned “tipping point” and I was wondering at what point the gov might consider we’d reached it, and what might ensue, hence my question. It’s all purely speculative, of course.

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2021 #667

    That’s fine, if there is a plentiful supply, there isn’t.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited January 2021 #668

    More than happy for you to make a donation of £40 when your legitimate place in the priory queue arrives. Any other scenario means you’re taking advantage and risking the lives of those more vulnerable than you as 100% of the supply and health infrastructure is required to deal with others before you.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #669

    I disagree, btw I intend to wait-I’m in no rush👍🏻. I think that every person who gets vax’d is one person safer, plus the fact they’ve paid means wages of care giver is covered, not coming out of the public purse it’s making money. The problem at the mo is they can’t get folk vax’d quick enough. I doubt there’ll be millions rocking up with a bunch of £tenners for the vax. I see it as sensible move even a win/win.

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  • SeasideBill
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    edited January 2021 #671

    Me agrees, just thought I’d share my disdain, I’m done now.

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2021 #672

    With a finite supply, for every paid-for dose, there will be someone who doesn’t get their dose on time. Vaccinate someone, possibly perfectly healthy, in favour of someone for whom the virus could prove fatal? I can’t see that’s right.

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #673

    I suppose there are people with self importance that feel the need to pay their way out of a situation, rather than wait in the queue like most rational people .

    Me , I’m quite happy to stay at home and wait for the phone call .

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #674

    well except that perfectly healthy does not sadly mean you won't get very ill or even die if you catch it. 

    No matter how much people may want to buy it that decision to sell it is not in our hands. But once it is I think a lot of people will buy it to protect themselves, their loved ones, no matter how perfectly heathy they are. 

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2021 #675

    “perfectly healthy”

    I was of course speaking in general terms. Take, say, a 90 year old and a 30 year old, who would you say has the better chance?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #676

    well I could say that some 90 years old have recovered and some 30 years have sadly died, but yes I take your point of course.

    But as I said the sale won't happen until a certain point, but then I do see quite a few people buying it that 'do not need it' however one defines that.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #677

    I also guess some folk can’t think beyond their own parochial little world🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s basic economics. If you’ve got the money pay for it. It’s not a communist state, we run on capitalism as in you pay you play👍🏻

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #678

    Yes, I know all that , it’s just my opinion, which last time I looked at the CT T&C’s I could express an opinion.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #679

    and people on CT can reply to that opinion HD?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #680

    It's a forum. We all express our opinions. There’s really no need to be apologetic about it.

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #681

    You seem to be making an argument with yourself , you don’t need to tell me the bleeding obvious.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #682

    No I'm not? what am I arguing with myself about?,

    I'm just replying with to your post quite politely.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #683

    Why be so rude HD? Is it needed? We all have our opinions but can surely post them without a rude reply?

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2021 #684

    And back to the Vaccine

    Another interesting fact that I've just noticed in the Bloomberg data is that both Canada and the UK have ordered 3 times the number of vaccines than the respective size of their population, according to the numbers released. The only other countries with orders over 2 times are NZ and Australia.

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #685

    Could it be that when it comes to sending out the orders we might only get sent a percentage of what the UK has ordered, that way we still get enough?

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #686

    Or we get it from all sources ,but not all at the same time from eachwink

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #687

    I find it interesting that NZ has given that it is Covid free? 

    Obliviously some good forward thinking there and wanting to future proof itself. I admire their PM very much.

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #688

    With the size of the two islands with the very small comparative populations ,it should be very much easier to contro than highly populated countries as we and others aresurprised

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #689

    I have family that live over there ,and they said the people in NZ obey the rules and don’t go looking for loopholes to go out , she said ,as a country we have faced it together and got through it tougher .

    no chance of that in the UK  

  • AnnB
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    edited January 2021 #690

    Probably because when the initial orders were made no one had any idea which would be the successful vaccines so the Government hedged their bets. 

  • moulesy
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    edited January 2021 #691

    On the subject of New Zealand,  I was talking to one of our neighbours whose brother lives over there this morning. Their rules have been tougher and more consistent from the start so the vast majority of folk know exactly where they stand and obey them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the population.  Compare that to the lax, frequent shifts in policy here. I'm afraid to say that we only have ourselves to blame for the current situation - and it will undoubtedly get much worse before it starts getting better. frown