Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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Surely the order should be (as has already laid out) by those most at risk. Unfortunately the older you are the greater that risk. Having said that they have already hit upon a problem with care homes. Because of the size of batches the vaccine comes in it is more problematic to split up into smaller batches. That is why they are thinking of mass inoculation centres to administer the vaccine. Hopefully they will get round that problem PDQ? I can't see that police and fire service would be a priority as generally those working in those services are generally younger and fitter. The main reason for NHS staff and Care workers being a priority is the risk of them passing the virus on to those more vulnerable. Having said that it has not yet been proved that people that have the vaccine can't past COVID on to other, they are still working on that!!! Both Margaret and I are in the 4th tier so it seems we will have a few months to wait before we can get back to "normal" life if indeed it is ever normal again.
David
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I am obviously unreasonable then David
I agree with front line staff, nursing homes etc. First. After that I would want to use scientific analysis to determine the weighted proportion of the age profile actually spreading the disease rather than the most vulnerable who may be less likely to spread the disease.
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I suspect science has already led on this one, as being the most effective order to vaccinate. I think that not only will the scientists have developed the vaccine, they will have investigated what is the most efficient and effective method of getting the maximum impact on its implementation. That’s why they are so worried about the take up rate.
Effectiveness across the land is dependent upon vaccine efficiency x take up, if it’s a lower effectiveness (as some vaccines are) then greater take up will build and boost effectiveness as a whole. There’s a huge campaign building to try and re assure certain communities and doubting individuals to get vaccinated.
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You're right in that the science will already have been applied to arrive at the most effective means of establishing the order of folk to be vaccinated. The trials, too, have taken into account age, ethnicity and other factors.
As I understand it, it's not yet known if the vaccine prevents someone carrying the infection even though they will not develop symptoms themselves. That means the order has to start with those at most risk of catching covid, rather than those who might spread it.
The campaign for take up is under way. A live Q&A session was hosted on the BBC this morning by Prof Van Tam.
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They are (should be) capable of knowing which subset, by age, could have the most impact in spreading the virus.
Assuming that the government have done the analysis I have no doubt that they will have based their decision on the populist stance, rather than pragmatic. A bit like the extent of the relaxation at Christmas.
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In months gone by have heard some people say that the vulnerable and elderly should be shielded (locked up) to enable those at little or no risk to return to work and get the country going again, etc. Vaccinating the vulnerable and elderly first is more or less doing that with the added benefits of not putting the NHS at risk of being swamped and allowing the vulnerable and elderly the freedom to enjoy the rest of their lives.
Vaccinating health worker a.s.a.p. will also bring big benefits in that less will have to be off work self isolating and the NHS will have more staff able to begin the massive catch up needed for people with other problems.
Possibly our GP's may even come out of hiding
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ET, the problem with using any sort of profiling of the spread with regards to the vaccination is that the vaccine doesn't in itself stop the spread as those that have been vaccinated could still be carrying it in their nose and throat, and so capable of spreading it. What it does is prevent the virus from making those vaccinate ill and so not requiring medical attention. The scientist are waiting for follow up information with regards to how effective the vaccination is in eliminating or lessening the passing on of the virus from one having covid to someone who hasn't.
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The scientist are waiting for follow up information with regards to how effective the vaccination is in eliminating or lessening the passing on of the virus from one having covid to someone who hasn't.
By the time that they get down to the level of 70 year old they might know differently. Time will tell.
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It certainly will, and hopefully the vaccine will act as a barrier to the spreaders well as lessening the harmful effects of Covid.
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Given that ‘they’ don’t yet know whether or not a vaccinated person can become a carrier, it seems entirely prudent to vaccinate those at risk first. It’s worth bearing in mind, the vaccine won’t stop you being infected, it just protects you if you are. “opinion”? Seems like common sense to me.
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Excuse me for disagreeing. Some cannot avoid contact (working age) and I would prefer that they are vaccinated before those that can avoid contact.
It’s worth bearing in mind, the vaccine won’t stop you being infected,
I thought that this was still an unknown as to whether you would still pass on infection according to NHS?
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As has been said before by a few of us, it's not yet known whether vaccinated people will still carry the disease. Therefore, it makes sense to vaccinate those most at risk from the disease as a priority.
Ultimately, it matters not what you and I prefer as it’s entirely out of our hands so I'll happily await my turn.🙂
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A vaccine isn’t a suit of armour, it just protects you when you become infected. What’s “unknown” is whether or not a vaccinated person can become a carrier on any subsequent infection. Given this and to put it another way, as it stands, it’s entirely feasible that some vaccinated people could be passing on the virus to others. This could result in thousands (?) of unnecessary deaths.
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Vulnerable elderly in care homes, with memory issues, susceptibility to infections, dependency on others for personal care, hygiene care, sharing care workers have got to be the number one priority, along I would say with those caring for them.
As we know, one whiff of an infection in such an environment will wreak havoc of the worst kind in such environments. Any Risk Assessment will be High Risk of Death, high risk of infecting others, high probability of worst case scenario, etc..... No case for argument as far as I am concerned, and I personally will gladly wait in line if it keeps someone else’s vulnerable loved ones alive. I am happily behind NHS staff as well, and Emergency Services personnel.
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You're fully entitled your your view, Easy, as are those of us, including the scientists, whose views differ from yours.
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