Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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According the ONS:
Since the start of the pandemic, there have been 63,852 COVID-19 deaths registered in England and Wales, up to 20 November 2020 (35,358 men and 28,494 women).
The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (57,184 out of 63,852).
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Depends how big the crisis is Rocky to me. Some “ancient rights” need consigning to the bin. Hundred years ago I wouldn’t have had the vote, fifty years ago people like Alan Turing were committing suicide, last month I am sure some black American was probably being badly beaten by ignorant white supremacists. Ok, these are extreme examples, but progress, preferably by persuasion and education needs to happen, certainly on public health issues.
The real problem is social media and a small minority who are caught in the tangles of conspiracy theories and misinformation. An hour on Mumsnet and you could be forgiven you are living on a different planet to most sane humans😱
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The real problem is social media and a small minority who are caught in the tangles of conspiracy theories and misinformation. An hour on Mumsnet and you could be forgiven you are living on a different planet to most sane humans😱
There is a friend of my daughter who has been in a wheelchair for about 18 years who is convinced that it is all down to 5g despite the fact that there has been very little coverage in many areas during the course of Covid
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To be fair EasyT, It doesn't matter what we/you think, and I sort of get your reasoning, but don't totally agree. Anyway what the scientists have decided is what is now how it is going to happen, so the choice is to have it when it is offered or not. As I said before, I will be there as soon as it's my turn, and very grateful for it.
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EasyT wrote: I wonder however how many of those were in carehomes?
Around 28,000. But, regardless of where they lived it is still the older and more vulnerable that need the protection of a vaccine. Hopefully it will put them on a more level playing field with the younger groups.
Now back to my question. What benefit do you see in giving the vaccine to the younger groups ahead of the older more vulnerable ones?
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To be fair EasyT, It doesn't matter what we/you think
I disagree that our own views don't matter DEBSC. They obviously matter to each of us if we hold any. Many things that have been done was not totally based on science but rather on the individual governments take and what they consider practical. The UK is fragmented on its approach and not because of scientific advice.
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TDA, I see this scenario-everyone will get vax’d, if not they will be forced to. The old Bill rocking up with para-military Docs in tow, either stunned or forcibly held to ensure it’s done. If that ever came close I personally would be on the streets protesting. We are governed by consent-no ifs or buts🤷🏻♂️👍🏻
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Dough about right. Scrambled egg on toast for lunch. Batter in fridge for toad in the hole this evening, 2 dozen scones on cooling racks. Just keeping an eye on the caramelising onions for tonight's gravy.
Where were we? Ah yes. Which policy is best only time will truly tell but we need to get our production going. I personally hopeful that those vaccinated who become infected will, after a while, be less likely to infect others as there body fights the infection due to a lower level of virus load.
The greatest infections seem to be amongst children and young adults. The great unknown as yet.
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Strangely enough I did not have the repeat smallpox vaccination either. I think that was the 'ring' vaccination. I would been about 10 and refused to have it. It was around that time that it was no longer compulsory (about 1962)
I was trying to recall earlier which vaccinations were compulsory, but failed.
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Vaccinations haunt the Mother-inLaw (live in version).
When Mrs WN was very young she and a neighbours boy were taken to have the Polio jab. Mrs WN was perfectly fine but the boy contracted Polio and was confined to a wheelchair thereafter. So you can see where she is coming from. Nevertheless she has always had her Flu jabs and any inoculations for travel but this one scares her and it's the unproveness that is doing it.
She will have it but one can see how the experience has left it's mark.
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Funny story but I remember that after one vaccination at school, can't remember which but it was at junior school, I had the injection then was given a sugar cube.
I thought it was a reward for having the injection so I didn't take it. I went home and told my parents I didn't need the 'reward' but I found out there was a vaccine of some kind on the sugar cube. I remember they told the school and they had to get the nurse back the following day specially for me. I seem to remember she saw the funny side though and certainly more than the teachers.
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I doubt you and I are singing from a different song sheet Rocky😁 But I take Governed by consent with a huge pinch of disbelief, there are certainly things this country still allows that I personally don’t give my consent to happening.
Coercion rather than by force. Might be financial via higher insurance premiums, making it more difficult to travel overseas without being vaccinated (that’s if other countries let you in), mandatory period of isolation on arrival back in country. Businesses might consider anyone choosing not to have the vaccine more of an employment risk, both to other staff, and from a financial risk aspect. Peer pressure needs to be about community public good, rather than individual gratification. I don’t know anyone of my generation who didn’t queue up in line for that sugarlump, or wait for Nursey to jab you in the arm. But I don’t know anyone that’s died of smallpox, mumps, diphtheria or rubella either.
I hope the scientists lead on this, trying to get as many as possible on board. The Government’s current trust rating, in terms of some of the decisions made, how aspects of the pandemic have been handled, the Ministers throwing public money towards greedy hands means that they aren’t best placed to lead, and are in fact for some, part of the “getting onboard” issue.
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All sounds nice.
Young children don't seem to be prolific vectors. On the other hand young adults make up for it in spades. Vaccinating them may not help as the present understanding is that the vaccines do not stop infection but simply reduce the symptoms or hide it. If they were to all become asymptomatic they would just be more of a problem to the vulnerable and TTT&I would become even more needed and impossible. Currently the best way of dealing with CV19 is to protect those at most risk (vaccinate) hope that herd immunity does happen especially in the young, and a cure or means of stopping the spread is found. All three would be nice.
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