Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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Thanks for providing he link David. You are quite right, the Guardian has reported the information in a more serious way, whereas the Daily Mail obviously tried to make more of a story from it, if that was ever necessary. However, I am still not sure that the good result was not found by accident. I note that the Guardian call it the Oxford AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, to give it, its full name, although I think we know which vaccine we are all talking about.
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EasyT wrote "As is said hereabouts. "Live in Hope, die in Caergwrle"
Strange that. Why is it that Hope is the one with the churchyard?
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Back in the day! The saying dates back to 19th century and is well known. The two villages are on either side of the river Alyn. Presumably there was no graveyard in Caergwerle
Caergwrle's long association with the adjacent village of Hope has given rise to a well-known local joke: "Live in Hope, die in Caergwrle".[6] This was already described as an "old saying" in the 19th century, when it was recorded by the antiquarian John Askew Roberts.[7]
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Even the good old BBC, together with other mainstream media, are now reporting concerns over how the data for the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was obtained. There is no suggestion that the vaccine is dangerous, I have never made such a claim, however there is concern over how the data was obtained which is what I spoke of in the first place. I know it was stated by one poster that my claim was fake news, a falsehood. I wonder if my claim and the reporting in the Daily Mail will turn out to be correct after all. If it is, I would like to think an apology would be forthcoming.
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C, in all honesty I was calling the Daily mail for falsehoods & you for repeating them but I did suggest you were party to it-for that I unreservedly apologise👍🏻. I never ever believed that our hard won reputation for excellence would be sullied like this☹️, it’s a sad day for sure.
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I mean who would put this into their bodies?
Toxicity. Poisonous/toxic in large doses. Can lead to chemical dependency. Profound effect on work performance and tendency to accidents. May cause harmful central nervous system effects. Effects may include headache, dizziness, drowsiness, blurred vision, fatigue, tremors, convulsions, loss of consciousness, coma, respiratory arrest and death. Severe acute toxicity may cause Hypoglycaemia, Hypothermia and extensor rigidity. Prolonged or frequent contact may result in liver injury.Carcinogenicity Group 1 carcinogen. Demonstrates an increase in the occurrence of breast cancer and colorectal cancer. Malignant tumours of the oral cavity, Pharynx, Larynx, Oesophagus and Liver. Some studies have shown an excess incidence of laryngeal cancer.
Mutagenicity Some transient mutagenic changes have been observed. Mutagenic in man via its first metabolite, Acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde induces chromosomal aberrations, sister-chromatid exchanges and cross-links between DNA strands.
Neurotoxicity Over exposure may cause Central Nervous System (CNS) depression.
Some evidence of foetotoxicity and teratogenicity has been observed during gestation. May induce spontaneous abortions, may impair fertility, may cause harm to the unborn child and may cause harm to breast fed babies.
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To be fair our reputation has not been sullied. I would be very concerned if everything went through without question. The data should be questioned, examined in detail and questioned again without fear. That is why we have a fully justified reputation for excellence. I sincerely hope and fully expect that our experts will be looking just as hard at and questioning the details of vaccines developed by other pharmas.
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Reads a bit like the patient information leaflet in a packet of paracetamol!
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...It's the Material Safety Data Sheet information for Ethanol Alcohol.
i.e. a 12% solution in your bottle of red!
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It would help if I spelt it correctly! Caergwrle
The closest I found on the web was the Welsh pronunciation on this page
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I just checked it out ET, I used the Welsh for idiots site it then gave me-‘care-grel’
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I thought it sounded wholesome.
Good illustration of how easy it is stir people’s anxiety and sadly that’s probably going to happen with the various vaccines as they come on stream despite assurances from various experts and regulatory bodies. Facebook & Twitter will have a field day spreading half truths, urban myths and other scary nonsense! The number of otherwise rational people I’ve spoken with who won’t get vaccinated, simply because they haven’t had to wait for 10 years is worrying.
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I assume you use hand sanitiser? That has alcohol in it and alcohol can be absorbed though the skin I recall? But it's not an efficient or effective way to get drunk
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Careful with that stuff.....next thing you know you’ll be sitting in the park with a bunch of larey mates clutching a bottle of hand sanitizer in a brown paper bag.
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I think you might be OK, I read somewhere that someone sat in bath of vodka for a few hours and didn't get anywhere near even slightly tipsy.
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Not to worry, face will eventually fail to move and a refusal won’t be possible. Unless its bum filler of course.😂
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Just have to hope the vaccination system will be better organised than Ms Harding's test & trace fiasco!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55107272
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Quite a dilemma.
Do you give it to the elderly, who have most likely been taking great care to avoid spreading or catching covid and are more at risk of underlying conditions who if beds are scarce and doctors needed to choose between treating us poor old souls or the younger healthier person because they had more chance of surviving serious illness..
Or. The younger healthier, less at risk of serious illness, or so we were led to believe, so they can carry on with life as normal including going to bars restaurants cinemas etc. and in some cases raves without any care for others or hospital staff that would need to care for those that had been infected by others rash behaviour.
Parents who need to survive and care for their children. Why do they not wear masks when picking kids up from school? The school near our house has significant numbers of parents waiting outside stood in groups for quite a while with very few masks in sight. Quite risky if A-symptomatic is the most common transmission.
Doctors, nurses, care givers so that if we are seriously ill, there are enough medical staff to help us survive. These guys must be absolutely cream crackered after so many months and many more months ahead before vaccinations are effective in reducing enough spread of the virus.
Having spent nine months tucked away from as much risk as possible, as we are both fairly high risk, very little contact with family no shops no pubs no holidays (saved a fortune on petrol this year) I would hope that Doctors and Nurses are the priority to ensure that if after all my efforts to avoid infection failed, We still had the best chance of survival.
We all need to do our bit to help everyone to survive this pandemic.
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The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer covid vaccine.
The NHS has been asked to be ready to start immunisations as early as next week. It's thought hospital staff will be amongst the first to receive the vaccine.
As nice Christmas present.
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Of course what will happen now is a huge argument as to who should get the first doses.....the NHS.and health care workers, obviously, but who next?...the elderly as they are most vulnerable,? the fit and well so they can return to work? or the disabled, as they too are vulnerable? or those of school age as the future depends on them? firemen and police for the safety of the public? It is not an easy decision to make, and whoever is chosen it will not be right in some people's eyes.
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