2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold
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Over the past 8 months or so, things have changed considerably in this country regarding the economy. I am sure that I am already going to have to pay a lot more for all the things that you say are already subsidised. I would just ask for you to be a little patient and see how we get on with paying for these things first before you ask for me to commit to paying for other peoples electricity as well. In the meantime there are already things that people can do which would help to save the planet. When I make a cup of tea I only boil enough water for one cup. Turn lights off when not required. etc .It is surprising how much money and electricity this saves.
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With retrofit solar panels, there’s always the consideration, should you fund the installation yourself (expensive, long pay-back) or rent your roof to others who’ll bear the initial and maintenance costs, albeit with a legal charge on part of your property. Most commercial properties are not owned by the occupants, therefore there is little incentive for landlords to install unless the occupants will pay a premium- why would they?
In the case of ownership by the occupier, there can be legal complications should they decide to sell as the prospective purchasers may not like the conditions agreed with whoever has a legal right to use the roof space for an agreed (usually extensive) period. Not insurmountable, but not conducive to incentivising solar installation.
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Invested in solar panels some 5 years ago, just before the government stopped what is commonly known as the "feed in Tarriff" total investment £5k, total return today approx £1k per annum, and my feed in tarriff contract has another 15 years to run.
As for all those shouting for the demise of the ICE, they should take a long hard look at how cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Cobalt is one of the primary components of Lithium Batteries. Cobalt today is more valuable than gold, the DRC produces 2 thirds of the worlds demand, the conditions in the Cobalt mining industry are appalling with children as young as 10 being used in terrible working conditions. There is a move away from using Cobalt but experts reckon it could be 10 years or more before a suitable substitute is rolled out globaly
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they are, but it has to rain very hard to get rid of seagull poo, I live in a bungalow so i can clean mine from a pair of steps and the telescopic brush i use to clean the caravan, all you need is clean water, no detergent, cleaned mine once in 5 years, window cleaners will do it they charge £50 - £80 .
I think cleaning them increases performance but it is only marginal, unless of course all the pains are covered in seagull poo
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Our local LA in the guise of a "housing trust?about 10years ago fitted solar panels to some of their stock, and some owners used the same company to have them installed, it seems they are on a 25yr contract with it seems , an off shoot of one of the big energy companies who "subsidised?" them
this was a rip off scheme whereby a company would buy your feed in tarriff contract that you have with the government.
So they offered you a fixed sum for the contract/solar panels, which they took control of and of course all the monies you would have gotten back yourself from the feed in tarriff contract for the life of the contract.
In in some cases they were only offering £5k cash for something that could be worth £20k over the life of the contract, and it also caused problems if you wanted to sell your house before the contract expires, because this company now owns your solar panels on your roof and would be getting all the money from the feed in tarriff, nightmare scenario.
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Agree about Seagulls, they’ve mastered a method of coating anything and everything with a totally impervious weatherproof coating. Must be something to do with a diet of chips & ice cream!
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Are you saying that the government has received a return of £1000 p.a. for their investment or you have received the return. I don't know how these subsidies work. If you are saying the government make money from them, then I take back all I have said, and suggest the government increase their subsidies.
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It’s not all doom & gloom, significant lithium deposits are known to exist in Cornwall and could lead to a revival in the local mining industry. Maybe Cornwall won’t be so dependent on Rick Stein in the future?
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NO!, in total i receive approx £1kper annum from
A. the contract i have with the government (20 Years) known as the "Feed In tarriff", so this is dependant upon how many KW's the panels generate, which obviously depends on how much sunshine we have. The government then pays me quarterly for a percentage of the Kw power generated that they say I put back into the national grid, the remainder they assume i use to power my bungalow.
This is a very crude estimate because of course they have no idea how much power i am using, i could be using all the power i generate, the only metering is for the total power generated by the solar panels, there is no metering of how much i stuff into the national grid only a guesstimate.
B. the more the sunshines the more energy generated and i use this to power my bungalow so in turn take less power from my energy provider, i estimate this to be approx £350 per annum saving, if i was really good, I could probably save a lot more e.g. use washing machine etc when sun is at peak, but I am not that good.
so for me the sums look like this
5 years ago, capital outlay £5k
today approx £300 saving in energy cost from energy company
approx £700 from the feed in tarriff contract I have with government , approx 15 years left to run.
So i consider i have recovered my initial outlay of £5k and for 15 years will make approx £1k profit, providing nothing breaks , such as the invertor which could cost £1k to replace.
Was a no brainer for me £5k sat in an ISA 5 years ago was earning no money even less today.
I believe the government stopped the feed in tarriff contract, and a lot of solar panel installers went out of business as a result because people stopped installing solar panels
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Very few unless on basic state pension can claim it? yet a government edit ,byway of a mail drop to it seems all those getting state pensions was encouraging every one to apply as "it is yours claim it",but as we were already having more than enough for what we needed through our pensions ,and interests, we as by talking to numerous "pensioners"were among the many who it did not apply to
The state pension at 65 just meant i paid more tax on the pension i had been drawing for 14 years ,(and more savings opportunities
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Erm🤔, I will never ask you to pay for anyone’s Power-not even your own🤷🏻♂️, it ain’t my concern👍🏻. We will all chip in to pay back the subsidies that have run up massive debts, it’s how it should be. We take out we put in-it’s a Hamster wheel that never ceases.
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Whereas oil & gas extraction is guilt free, not dangerous & positively good for the environment. . .Mmmm, or do I remember a little something about climate & Glodal destruction🙄
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It’s means tested. Your weekly income has to be below a certain threshold before you are eligible. It something to keep the unlucky elderly poor from starving or freezing to death.
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The Govt made an effort to ensure pensioners did not miss out if they had the entitlement. Therefore, those drawing State Pension were mail shot to try to ensure no one slipped through the net. Obviously there'd be no point in claiming if you weren't eligible.
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With regard to ICE cars. I think someone may have already suggested that if and when we reach 2030 and if the government continue with the prohibition of the sale of new ICE cars and vans it may well be that the value of second hand ones will increase rather than decrease. If someone can't buy a new one and they are determined to still use one, the only alternative is to either keep what they have or buy second hand. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Never said that oil & gas extraction was guilt free, and having worked in the oil and gas sector for 14 years before I retired I am fully aware of the effects on the climate extraction can be, my concern was
"the conditions in the Cobalt mining industry are appalling with children as young as 10 being used in terrible working conditions. "
Yes I know of horror stories in the oil and gas sector particularly in areas such as the Gold Coast and Campos Basin offshore Brazil, but that does not mean that what is happening in DRC is somehow ok!
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I agree with you it isn’t good👍🏻, but replacing something that is not good for some is far better than continuing to destroy the planet we all live on🤷🏻♂️. No one has ever said the World is a fair place & I have no intention of setting myself up as the Worlds policeman. . .the hours are crap & the pressure is way too much.
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As a follow on to JVB's and Ruf's posts, I cleaned my solar panels back in the summer for the first time since they were installed exactly nine years ago today as it happens. Normally they keep fairly clean but the long dry dusty period back in the Spring prompted me to venture on to the garage roof where I managed to reach about 85% of the area. Installation cost was £13500 back then but the FIT has covered that and I'm now "in profit" by about £5K apart from the savings on reduced draw from the Grid. Almost 38000Kw produced since installation, so I've reduced my carbon footprint a bit.
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or pay by the mile, i see one motoring correspondent has staked his reputation on this being brought in sooner than later
but as stated in a previous post, bring it on, dont do many miles in the UK and over there particularly in France you pay a heavy toll for use of most motorways, so little change there, Spain have just scrapped all their toll roads. 0 -
We don't mind cutting folks some slack but this thread has gone totally off topic.
Can we please stick to the discussion topic.
Thanks.
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Predictably interesting......
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I was surprised how many charging points we saw in Shetland last year. I don't recall seeing any lekky cars though and the most popular vehicles seemed to be pick ups of the Navara/D-Max ilk.🤷♂️
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