2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold

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  • Cornersteady
    Cornersteady Club Member Posts: 14,632
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    edited November 2020 #32

    Yes fully agree with that, and as you say what announcement on its position can it make? 

    Firstly it has only just been announced and I assume the club is still thinking about the current covid situation and how to get through that.

    Yes when we used a cabin it was pleasantly nice just to turn up and move in without any of the normal pitching routine. 

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #33

    One of the ,IMHO reasons , maybe the main reason? that Boris has announced all these latest Green plans is that the UK?as was, is chairing the international climate forum? next yearsurprised

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2020 #34

    And you could have done it with a small EV so you'd have been fine with no need of a big towcar. That's what it's all about👍

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2020 #35

    Of course it is. That's exactly what the media has been saying.

  • brue
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    edited November 2020 #36

    Yes, companies like EDF who are involved at Hinkley Point C. They have a good web site with a lot of information about electric vehicles, just about everything you want to know. From the information on there and other web sites you can delve deeper and find answers to questions.

    EDF >LINK<   (this section is on costs)

    Personally I read a lot of "stuff" on here that's incorrect about electric cars but as far as CAMC is concerned I would welcome a car that could tow (just for using a trailer at home) and progress has definitely been slow on this, which is disappointing. OH got in contact with a lot of companies and people when we got our EV four years ago regarding towing, lots of thoughts and ideas but sadly no answers yet regarding smaller/medium vehicles. I would think something will change in the long run so it's hopefully going to happen.

  • brue
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    edited November 2020 #37

    But the EU is adopting the same route and finally we have a USA President elect who has committed to these issues.

     

  • NutsyH
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    edited November 2020 #38

    Really? And you think that's feasible in the land of  the automobile? Mass armed riots on the streets if he tries it.

    We all knew this was coming and originally scheduled for 2040, but Bojo then announces 2030 with no rational though for the consequences. Less chance than his "world beating" Track & Trace, and that is almost non existent.

     

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  • brue
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    edited November 2020 #40

    NutsyH. You can challenge what I write but the announcements are in line with official news from many other countries.

    I'm not going to make any political comments and this is my final contribution to the thread. smile

     

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #41

    We have a USA president elect who has committed to the issues (in principal)  but not in a position to act.

    As of the present I believe that only one state (California) has said that ice vehicles sales will be phased out in that state

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #42

    Cuba is an interesting example. A country with one of the best healthcare systems in the world is ‘first world’ in my reckoning. They have by necessity become extremely resourceful which is more sustainable than upgrading one year and chucking it in landfill the next. Maybe a strand of green policy we could embrace a bit more?

     

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #43

    Whatever California does will make little difference unless the majority of the 49 other states make provision.

    Isn't the main vehicle manufacturer in California Tesla laughing

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #44

    I’ll be interested to see how the millions of motorists who rely on inadequate on-street parking will cope charging their electric vehicles? Currently there is no joined up thinking on this. Exeter, for example, have an impasse between Government and Council. The former have made money available for installing street charging points, but not taken up by the latter because of the future burden of maintenance for which no provision is made. There are some seemingly minor issues which will be a headache to resolve. Exeter example again.... my daughter has a hybrid car and wants to run a cable from her house across the pavement to charge her car parked on the road. She purchased a heavy duty reflective mat to cover the cable and traffic cones to warn pedestrians.  She then asked the Council to approve that as not constituting a trip hazard, obviously not wishing for an ambulance chaser to take advantage of the situation. The Council were not prepared to offer any advice whatsoever. It’s a problem every off-street parker will face unless charging points are installed every few meters on roadside street furniture, on every street. Just one of a zillion issues to be resolved. 

  • JohnM20
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    edited November 2020 #45

    Making electric cars is the easy bit. Getting the range acceptable is the next. Then comes the more difficult bit of getting the price affordable for the majority of the population. The hard / impossible bits, and there are probably thousands of these bits, is getting all the necessary infrastructure sorted out within the next 10 years. I guess that the government is saying no sales of new ICE cars after 2030 because they know full well that it will be many, many years after that that the country is even getting vaguely close to being ready to go all electric. By this time totally new fuel technology will have come along, probably hydrogen based. It's all world beating pie in the sky really.

  • RowenaBCAMC
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    edited November 2020 #46

    A number of comments have been removed from this discussion. Please can I ask that all members keep the discussion on topic and do not start arguments on the forum as we want to have a friendly and informative community. Please be mindful of our Community Guideline in order to participate in the forum. This is very important as we want everyone to feel they can contribute, for conversations to be friendly and constructive and for discussions to be on topic. Many thanks. 

  • RowenaBCAMC
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    edited November 2020 #47


    With regards to the Club's thoughts on these plans, while supportive of practical measures to improve the environment and address climate change, the Club is keen to see that the full consequences of this decision are recognised and appropriately addressed, particularly in terms of the leisure vehicle sector. The Club is well engaged with government and industry on these matters, in order to highlight the priorities and needs of our sector, notably the provision of cars with adequate towing capability, the addressing of the challenges regarding the motorhome sector, and the improvement of the rural electric vehicle charging infrastructure. Where opportunities to press industry or Government on this topics arise, we certainly do so, while also ensuring that Club members are informed of technology developments through regular advice communications and tests of hybrid and electric vehicles. The Club’s latest major site development at Cayton Village also incorporates dedicated electric vehicle charging points on some pitches and in the communal parking area, acting as a testbed for what may become a standard feature of site facilities in years to come.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #48

    We have exactly the same problem with many terraced houses  some even in tree/hedged grass greens  (they are very nice) but no legal access to their vehicles,  ours is  grass verge ,footpath, grass verge away from the road but without a designated parking spot (lucky we have access to a garage ,and after two Emails to the LA and one to the local MP Grant Shapps without any positive replys of how they are going to address this very obvios problem 

  •  viatorem
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    edited November 2020 #49

    Things can move at a pace when the need arises, battery technology has a way to go though.

    Alko and others are developing motor assisted chassis's that will extend the range of an EV and reduce the size of tow vehicle needed, obviously this will need another category in vehicle class for type approval etc but nothing insurmountable.

    " Before the end of the decade we will put a Man on the moon" 😉

     

  • JohnM20
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    edited November 2020 #50

    I read / heard a year or so ago that some boffin had calculated that there is not enough copper in the world to satisfy the needs for all the motors and cabling that will be required worldwide. 

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #51

    How are these "motor assisted" chassis to be powered ,self contained? or from the EV towing itsurprised

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2020 #52

    Just a thought that has been whizzing around in my head. I am surprised that electric cars don't have solar panels on their roofs. I appreciate that it wouldn't completely satisfy the power requirement but one would have thought that it could help as a bit of a top up? 

    David

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2020 #53

    The Club’s latest major site development at Cayton Village also incorporates dedicated electric vehicle charging points on some pitches

    I would assume these will be bookable when the system is revamped? Otherwise they would seem of only limited benifit.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2020 #54

    That’s blue sky thinking DK!

    (😂Sorry, I couldn’t resist😁)

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #55

    Will the booking page for Cayton be big enough to cope with all the pitch typessurprised

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2020 #56

    Some might find this of interest. Make sure you read right to the bottom of the article, has it has a little sting in the tail for MH owners.....

    https://www.yorkmix.com/yorks-first-hyper-hubs-planned-using-solar-power-to-charge-electric-vehicles/

     

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2020 #57

    Googling the subject, it does seem to be being actively pursued, particularly for sunnier climates. Even some fully solar powered biggies for city use.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #58

    I have seen pretty useless provision of such parking bays at some P&R on our travels. People plug in, before getting bus to town to work and come back 8 or so hours later from work. Meanwhile nobody else  can access.

  • NutsyH
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    edited November 2020 #59

    Thanks Rowena

    That is the answer I was hoping to obtain when I first stared this thread.

  • NutsyH
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    edited November 2020 #60

    Quite. 

  • NutsyH
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    edited November 2020 #61

    Quite, again. And what all the greens fail to mention is:

    The destruction to the world being caused by the extraction of rare precious metals to produce the batteries

    The carbon produced in building the vehicles

    The carbon and other pollutants that result from scrapping the batteries every few years - they have a very short life.

    And finally, the cost to run them when ICE cars are gone. Government MUST impose taxes that will match the current £40 billion plus extracted from car users.