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  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #62

    The reason (i understand) the Oxford vacine has not already "out there"  there ,  has been a bit of a hiccup when two guinea pigs developed bad side effects  ,who may have an undiagnosed other illness

  • viatorem
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    edited November 2020 #63

    It's odd that China has not had a 2nd wave as yet. Have they already got a vaccine?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #64

    Not 2 Guinea pigs just 1 person JV👍🏻-

    no news is better than fake news.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #65

    Just quoting from this morning comment from an Oxford source?surprised

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #66

    No, but they do have a totalitarian regime and that helps.

  • brue
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    edited November 2020 #67

    This is the latest on the China Sinovac trial....BBC LINK not good news at the moment.

  • LLM
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    edited November 2020 #68

    Not only inaccurate (it was not Guinea Pigs but one Human wink) but also old news.  The trials were paused the data was reviewed and they were restarted about two months ago.  Keep up John smile.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #69

    Who were wrong🤷🏻‍♂️. Who was the source-your brother?🤔

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #70

    Try englishwink

    ps brother further south

  • AnnB
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    edited November 2020 #71

    I was reading something earlier today (can’t for the life of me find it again) that suggested the low temperature the Pfizer has to be stored at wouldn’t be an insurmountable problem. The same temperature was required for storage of the Ebola vaccine and they managed that, albeit on a much smaller scale.

    There are a number of ways of transporting it, using dry ice and another method of heavily insulated ‘suitcases’ and the temperature has to be maintained whilst transporting it but then you have a 5 day ‘window’ to use it.

    They also suggested that GPs’ surgeries would group together for delivery and this is what our GPS did for ‘flu this year when we went to our local Sports Centre hall.

    The problem will be how to maintain the temperature in third world countries which don’t have the same infrastructure.

    looks like the most ‘vulnerable’ would be at the head of the queue whether because of location (care homes) occupation or age. That’s what happens with ‘flu vaccination programmes as the aim is to prevent deaths. If the vulnerable (that includes me) are given protection then there is less pressure on the NHS and fewer people for the younger people to infect with the drop in the R-rate. Has to be a positive move.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #72

    Ahhhh, so you do understand👍🏻🤣🤣

  • LLM
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    edited November 2020 #73

    I'm interested to know if the vaccine needs to be kept within a range close to the minus 80 deg C or just anywhere below.  If the former it could be quite challenging.  If the latter liquid nitrogen or even colder liquid helium would be useful and relatively easy.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #74

    It can be stored around zero for 5 days before it’s compromised. It’s gonna be a challenge for this Govt going on their record on covid thus far🤷🏻‍♂️

  • LLM
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    edited November 2020 #75

    If that is the case then I don't see a problem.  The Government may not be up to it but the NHS certainly is.  Hopefully they won't let Dildo Harding anywhere near the organisation 😂.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2020 #76

    Although few doctor's surgeries have the facility to store the vaccine at -80C many/most pharmacies do, so they will be at the forefront for both storage and dispensing of it.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited November 2020 #77

    The FM for Scotland announced today that she already has 20 fridge/freezers ready for the vaccine surprised so that's good to know laughing

  • LLM
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    edited November 2020 #78

    In the meantime they just happen to be stocked with ACHROOUS GIN,  for medicinal purposes of course wink.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2020 #79

    LLM wrote "Hopefully they won't let Dildo Harding anywhere near the organisation "

    Are you suggesting she'll cock it up?

  • LLM
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    edited November 2020 #80

    surprised You may suggest that. I could not possibly comment sealed.

  • AnnB
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    edited November 2020 #81

    They could have stored it in my bedroom when I was growing up. No heating, air-bricks in the wall and frost on the inside of the window. wink

  • brue
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    edited November 2020 #82

    It was discussed on radio 4 today with scientists. The vacs will arrive in small dry ice containers and can be put into refrigerated storage. 

    It all sounds a bit easy to me, we still don't know the data.

  • Whittakerr
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    edited November 2020 #83

    Pfizer have designed portable storage containers which maintain the required temperature, hold 5000 doses and are reusable.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2020 #84

    Didn't Matt Hancock say during the Brexit debate that he had purchased loads of refrigeration to mitigate the concerns of storing the likes of insulin if there we supply problems when we left the EU. Surely he couldn't have been ahead of the curvewink

    David

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #85

    They may be for the stampede for toilet/kitchen rolls now level 3 in inplace and she does not realize they have not got a sell by datecool

     A Bit Fishyinnocent

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #86

    Theres the rub the Govt control the NHS. Remember Lockdown #1, Govt telling us the NHS had plenty of PPE, yet the NHS managers & staff was begging for PPE. The NHS will do what the Govt say-they pay the bills🤷🏻‍♂️☹️

  • Compo
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    edited November 2020 #87

    I'm off to Russia. They've announced that they have developed a vaccine that is 92% effective. Just beats the pfizer one. !!!

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #88

    If the Russian media report it Compo then it must be true

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #89

    They’ve still not got the one they proclaimed last month to the people🤣🤣. Putin is worse than Trump for BS👍🏻

  • trellis
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    edited November 2020 #90

    And there was me thinking it was my elder brother in the other bed , when we were growing up .😁😁.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #91

    +1👍🏻, if the Oxford one comes in @ 100% effective Putin will claim 110% & it makes vodka🤣

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