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I know what you mean BrianJosie and Fysherman, and I perhaps we may well come to a similar decision. However, I'm not sure if being away in the caravan is much different from being at home, to be honest. We tend not to go to crowded places. Yesterday, we wondered about going to Bakewell. When we got there it was crowded so we just drove on by. Eventually we had our sandwiches up by the Cat and Fiddle - absolutely no-one there. It was misty and rainy. The only place we have been where we have had contact with others was in Morrisons in Buxton, and then only my wife went in - I looked after the dog in the car!! 🙂 We would have had to go shopping at home.... and I am borderline OCD about keeping distance, masks and washing/ sanitizing.
David
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This must be one of the longest seasons ever, it really is still crowded in many places and half terms are coming up. After our recent trip to the north of England we only felt ok on a CL and a couple of smaller C&CC sites, everywhere else was heaving with visitors and day trippers. We wondered whether many were off work/working from home etc and coud take time out as the age range was wide. We also haven't seen so many very large motorhomes, people who'd normally be abroad? We achieved our "mission" to see the family but after that we were glad to escape the crowds and head for home.
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| agree re options. Of course some by necessity have to put themselves in the mix. However that does not justify vacations as it is not a necessary thing to do. Likewise an individual may shun Bakewell but further back you see a post about the hoards in Hawes. You may inadvertently get into contact with a carrier. Whatever you will put pressure on the NHS and other services. There is no easy answer but we have a collective responsibility to do everything to mitigate the spread. The alternative is to let it rip. Kill off the old and sick. Give herd immunity to the others. Perhaps that is the best solution
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With the situation getting worse in most areas now ,until a week ago we had around 12 cases, last week we had 79 in our area ,we are booked to to go away at the end of the month locally? until December ,but OH and I not so much are getting to the stage is it worth it? as those from real hotspots could also be in the same areas
,so why take add risks,We think as some others , that a temp travel ban on anyone from those areas should be made
Although as many have said it is in Uni cities and towns that seem are worst hit so far.
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The second spike seems to be worldwide. No one has come up with any different option to that tried by the government. The vaccine seems just as far off as ever. So do we let it rip. It will no doubt decimate the old and sick. The youngsters will get herd immunity or so the theory says. Just sorted the drain on the NHS, the Pension, Care homes etc. At the same time the working age people get back to work, earn the taxes to repay the colossal debt already incurred. Could this be the real thinking? Thought coming from someone in the highest risk category.
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However that does not justify vacations as it is not a necessary thing to do
I disagree, firstly I'll be in a cottage doing exactly the same things I'll be doing at home so the 'risk' is the same, and I'll make sure I'll keep it low.
Secondly there is the mental well being to be considered. Holidays are perhaps needed to recharge mental and physical batteries, even in wartime there was R&R for soldiers. It's going to be a long haul and people will need a holiday, a change of scene to keep things going in the months ahead, especially for those who work.
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If you're high risk then the answer is very simple, look after your self, follow the advice given and the risk of you personally catching it is very low.
You talk of people not coming to your part of the country and they shouldn't as advised but at the same time you do not have to meet them if they do.
No we do not let it rip, of course not but a balance has to found. Does everyone just give up and be confined to quarters, or try and live a normal life as possible within advice given. I'm doing that otherwise life isn't worth living.
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According to the WHO letting it rip is immoral....
BBC News - Coronavirus: WHO head calls herd immunity approach 'immoral'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-545182862 -
I am lucky. Have just been out in the mountains with my dog for 3 hrs and not met a sole. Its not just myself i'm thinking about. I doubt if the sharp increase in old peoples hospital admissions is because they were reckless its most likely due to unfortunate catching it from the feckless. You cant believe that there is no Blue thinking group in Westminster who has not looked at the Herd scenario and another looking at ways to sell it to us. The worst the crisis becomes the higher up the agenda my scenario comes. With it coming nearer home in London I bet there are a few sweating. Heaven forbid I advocate this - turkeys don't vote for Xmas
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It is an option of course but pretty high risk. It is a solution one group of scientists are putting forward in the Great Barrington Declaration. However we don't yet know whether catching COVID actually gives you immunity? If we could be certain it does then maybe worth trying. Whilst it was being actioned you would virtually have to imprison all the vulnerable people to avoid they getting it. I would suggest not an easy task?
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There was an example given in the media, but for the life of me I can't remember where, whereby a very fit 25 year old in America caught the virus in March, had mild symptoms and recovered only to come down with it again in May but at a more serious level requiring hospital treatment. A study by disease experts concluded that the second attack wasn't caused by the virus being dormant but was a slightly different strain.
Now obviously it is just 1 case, although a couple of others were mentioned, in about 35 million, give or take, who have been infected but it does make one pause and wonder about strains and reinfection.
Not all black and white. In fact too much of it is in grey areas.
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It was on the BBC News App this morning, WN. I put a link to it in the other Covid thread. Pg 35.
Things are getting a bit hard to follow now with the two threads overlapping.
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David, herd immunity is a bit like practising human sacrifice, it's comes from a background of cattle diseases etc where we want to keep and improve the healthy stock (and eat it.)
The thought of 12 million UK over 65s plus a few million "at risk" groups being "sacrificed" doesn't sound like civilised society.
I know the Inuits sometimes left their aged parents out in the snow but really, I think we have progressed from that chain of action...well at least I hope so ?!
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Fisherman wrote "Have just been out in the mountains with my dog for 3 hrs and not met a sole"
Hardly surprising. You as a fisherman should know that they are salt water bottom dwellers.
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We are out and about in our caravan just now.
The sites are busy but not full.
Majority seem to be keeping their distance. Many are using their own facilities.
The thing is we are all enjoying ourselves, enjoying the fresh air and keeping fit while staying safe.
We haven't come from a high infection area, we don't intend going to one, although I wouldn't think a campsite would be at risk given the distance between outfits.
Should we pack up and go home, we don't think so.
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Is the Club cancelling bookings at its sites across the country from those who live in Tier3 areas?
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And don’t forget the Spartans whose used to expose weak and sick children. Then there’s the Indian sub continent who who until relatively recently consider female foetuses should be aborted........
Selection by choice was and is barbaric. Too many human beings are consigned to a less than perfect life as it is now, without exposure to further disease and death.
Besides, who gets to choose......
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Us too. During a couple of walks today we saw a few people close enough to give a nod to, and one chap we had a short chat to, socially distanced of course. We will continue with our tour, avoiding contact wherever possible, using our own facilities, even where they may be present on the site, and keep away for any busy places.
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We cancelled our 2 last trips as we are not cyclists, or great walkers now that OH has knee trouble. Also as we like to visit NT properties and other heritage sites, and this seems to be difficult in some areas.
But also as during our first trip in August/September, Aberdeen, where we were to visit relatives, went into lockdown.
And for our second trip our friends in Wales, who we were to visit in September/October, also went into lockdown......seems we are jinxed!
Having seen the crowds in tourist spots "down south" , we are actually quite glad we decided to cancel.
We have however now booked for Easter next year, which hopefully we will be able to take up.
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Only the sites in the Tier 3 area have been closed, not those across the country.
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Thank you TW. My earlier question was about people who live in Tier 3 areas visiting Club sites in other parts of the country. Is the Club allowing that or cancelling the bookings?
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Morning
The Wirral has closed to all (due to close on 02/11 anyway). Southport is an all year site and has closed to all from today for four weeks at present.
JK
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As my post that only got part published ,
I understand the sites have been closed in the top tier in england but other sites are open for now, i would think the club would be on "dodgy" ground if cancelling bookings from tier 3 postcodes as some may already be on a tour,,
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Cheers TW.
