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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2020 #482

    Integrity......🤣🤣🤣

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #483

    Statement from the Chancellor - "looking after your wife and child isn't wrong, trying to make a political point out of it is" (or words to that effect). 

    Much my view

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #484

    Yes, Alan, you've made it very clear all along that you would make your own judgement whatever the government was telling the rest of us to do. 

    I wonder who is normally responsible for the care of Cummings junior when mum and dad are working and why suddenly they were deemed not adequate.  undecided

  • Francis
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    edited May 2020 #485

    I think there are a lot of people even within the government who will be pushing for him to leave. It appears that he isn’t very popular even amongst senior politicians. My view on it is that he should go as this is causing too much of a distraction also it doesn’t sit right with me that we all have had some of our liberties and freedoms suspended yet the very people who took them seem to be doing as they please. We had a similar situation here with the chief Scottish medical officer on the TV one day demanding we all STAY HOME and then the next day heading off to her second home for a weekend while we were all staying at home caravans/motorhome sitting idle on the drive. She had to go and Cummings is the same and to be honest I think the PM should sack him and not give him the chance to resign however I don’t see BJ doing that somehow it appears to me that he relies too much on Mr Cummings 

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  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #487

    I wonder how on earth he thought he would get away with it unnoticed given the amount of press scrutiny he and the government were bound to be subject to. 

    It's just a real two fingers up to the rest of us!  frown

  • allanandjean
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    edited May 2020 #488

    "I wonder why someone as rich and powerful as he........."

    "I wonder how on earth he thought he would get away with it unnoticed..."

    Its just a guess, but I am going with arrogance.

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #490

    It seems to me that looking after you wife and child isn't wrong but using them as an excuse to do something, which you clearly should not do, is not only wrong but cowardly.
     

    I have no idea of the full circumstances. I read that Cummings wife was showing symptoms and that it was likely that he would have caught the infection whether symptomatic or not. Given that his decision to move to a location near to where they had relations, other than parents, who were able to look after their child if necessary and also to aid with provisions seems to me a sensible one. No doubt they had care available for son when in London but I personally would not wished a child of mine farmed out to full time care outside the family. For those reasons I do not condemn and would hope that, faced with a similar dilemma, I would have had the personal fortitude to put my family first whilst still protecting others. In my view this seems to be what they did. I cannot condemn anybody for an action that, given the circumstances, I might well have decided upon myself.  

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #491

    Obfuscation and doing something you should not do, for sure, A&J. 

    I'm sure we remember the calls for second home owners to stay in their primary residences rather than travel to isolate in their second homes. I’ve tried but I cannot see the difference between that and DC's situation. Although one difference might be that he could also have endangered his parents. It was wrong, wrong, wrong!

  • Wherenext
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    edited May 2020 #492

    I like the second part of your post ET. That outweighs the other IMO.smile

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #494

    "No doubt they had care available for son when in London but I personally would not wished a child of mine farmed out to fullime care outside the family"

    That rather begs the question of what was the difference in his son's care before and after his wife developed symptoms.  To me it's one of those rare occasions which are absolutely clear - "we" were told if a member of your family shows symptoms "don't leave home "- "we" were told "don't leave grandchildren with their grandparents" - "we" were told "only travel if essential".  Cummings "sat in" on the SAGE meetings where, presumably that advice originated; he was the link between SAGE and Boris. What part of the advice was unclear to him? undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #495

    There are many who will take their children for family"exercise" at very , i am sure ,  going to be busy hot spots this weekend  ,but will be refusing to let them go to school,  as it will "not be safe" ,there are double standards everywhereundecided

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #497

    I wonder if Cummings could look this nurse in the eye and explain his actions? yell

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52772306

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #498

     Probably

  • huskydog
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    edited May 2020 #499

    All this Cummings and goings , I can’t keep up with it surprised

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #500

    I suspect you're right - the guy clearly has no shame. frown

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #501

    You are probaly right. as he seems in the past, blagged his way out of many wrong decisions frown

    I can always remember a real highflyer boss  saying to me "Bulls**t and Bluff will always take the high ground in this day and age"undecided

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #503

    "He needs to go"

    Yes, whichever way one looks at it, the fact that his actions are going to distract from the government's instructions/advice for some considerable time ought to make that inevitable. But I've given up trying to work out how this lot think!  frown

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #504

    On Wednesday of this week there were probably 100 people not adhering to the current guidelines/rules whilst lapping up the sun on the beach at LOS, some could possibly have been asymtomatic , and probably 100's more at various locations throughout the UK, virtually every county in the South has reported people camping out overnight in campervans, MH's, tents and even cars, where was the law enforcement, how many people were actually prosecuted.

    Just had a small family birthday party in our back garden, yes we did stick to social distancing but technically what we did was not adhering to current guidelines/rules, slap on wrist dont do it again.

    Cummings did wrong but he is not alone, slap on wrist dont do it again, this is just point scoring for political gain

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #505

    I have just sent an Email to our MP "adviseing" that Dominic Cummings must go before he makes the cabinet (our mp is one) his scape goats 

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2020 #506

    Cummings did wrong but he is not alone, slap on wrist dont do it again, this is just point scoring for political gain

    Are you not joining the lynch mob Rufs? laughing 

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #507

    OMG you must be bored undecided maybe if you had some real insight into what this guy has done to assist with our current crisis you may have a differing view.

    Do you think if the present government did not think he was an assett we really did not want to throw under a bus, that they would be so supportive, given the circumstances.

  • Rufs
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    edited May 2020 #508

    quite the opposite, i think he is a guy we should be preventing from being thrown under a bus, and a slap on the wrist is all it should be, we have all had one in our time, but carried on regardless.

  • huskydog
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    edited May 2020 #509

    Yea, bring back public flogging ,that will draw in the crowds , with social  distancing of course wink

  • Phil n Tracy
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    edited May 2020 #510

    No. This is not point scoring for political gain. I am happy to stand up and say I voted for Boris. I am happy to stand up and say t that decisions have been made to the best of their ability in exceptional circumstances., no one could possibly have got everything right. However, this is arrogant. He should go. 

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2020 #511

    I never thought I'd find myself in the position of feeling sorry for Grant Shapps,  but watching tonight's government briefing ........ laughing