When the lockdown ends
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I was basing my posts on headlines I’d read last year like this one KJ-
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Back in the day, no caravan had facilities. They used to have a toilet tent with what was basically a sophisticated bucket. Could be a boost for caravan accessory shops turnover.
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Why reduced occupancy - pitches are set some 8 - 10 metres apart which is far more than the 2m social distancing!
We were away the week before lockdown was called. It was OK in the week at around 50% occupancy. We came home early first thing Saturday, once it filled up for the weekend, it just didn't feel safe. The majority of CC sites are not the most roomy of places. So not for us at the moment.
Also, although some sites have service pitches and all have Multiple water and waste points. The number of CDP's is often limited. The queues could be worse than for getting in the supermarket.😂 Hope there is never a blockage.😀 It would make the superpitches at Chatsworth, with there individual CDP's even more popular, despite the £5 supplement.
I would expect many members, willing to support their club in difficult times, wouldn't mind paying full (or close to full) rates, just to get out-and-about, I know I for one would.
Close to full rates at peak could mean £40 a night for a family of 4. Are folk really going to be queuing up to part with £280 for a week with no facilities.?
Possibly restrict sites to minimum 7 day stays so there is less in / out traffic!
Not so sure that is particularly fair to the workers, who might have given up there annual leave as part of lock down. They might just want a weekend to get away from things.
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It was just something I was basing my posts on OP, it was the 2019 election. This isn’t Political as in the T&C’s because no one is touting ‘their’ party in an argument inciting others to angrily attack. This is someone(me) reading headlines & getting it wrong. Others(Scots) giving me the actual boots on the ground facts. I’m grateful👍🏻. I’ll leave it there-thank you for your indulgence😊
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We still have ours same problem as you, it is somewhere with the other less useful "we should have one of those?" items that "was a good idea at the time?"but as we have matured?we tend to be a bit more "Do we want it (yes)
do we need it NO 
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But surely that is where the Scottish people have an advantage over the English. You have the luxury of deciding local priorities by you own Parliament but your Nation interests can be represented separately. We English don't have that luxury, we have to put up with a majority Government, of whatever colour. We are far too over centralised in England and personally I would prefer the system you have in Scotland, especially your voting system which allows the broadest range of views to actually mean something.
David
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Interesting thoughts Steve. Opening sites without the facility blocks open could be a good first move. In some ways it would be self limiting because there are those that either don't have sufficient onboard facilities or are unwilling to use them for some reason or other wouldn't use the sites which would remove the need to lessen the units on site. To me it is the facility blocks which are Achilles' heel in terms of hygiene and the possible spread of COVID 19 so I can see the point of them remaining closed at least in the short term. I suppose people will have to decide whether they want camping without toilet blocks or no camping at all?
David
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You must find club sites expensive as a non-member, Mikey. 🥴
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Nice one! 🤣
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I've never been keen on the position of CEPS on sites, often alongside the fresh water taps. I'd like to know if the bacteria in the cassettes has been killed off and what is the best thing to use in them to prevent infected aerosols in the air? I'd certainly do a huge bit of social distancing around these points in the present circumstances, it's bad enough when things appear to be ok.
Or am I being super fussy?
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Don't agree with your view on the amenity blocks, with all the disinfectant that the club supplies plus your own, they would be just has clean as any work place, hospitals, doctors surgeries restaurants, etc. If we all act sensibly like Boris is trying to get across instead of being criticised their shouldn't be a problem, if we don't try to get things back on track, then the status quo prevails. Lets do our bit whatever the government and club decide, l for one will welcome opening of the sites whatever the rules prevail
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Heethers, no matter how much you long to get back on site, you can do nothing until the Govt and the club allow you to. There's no point in keep pushing against an immovable object.
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Brue
I think some might need to examine what they use in their chemical toilets and I am sure we will need to check that the brands of toilet chemical they use will be effective in killing the virus should it be present in the cassette. I am not sure those that use washing powder will meet that requirement? As I understand it all taps at service points have non-return valves which should prevent backward contamination. What you say might start a rethink on the positioning of chemical emptying points? I prefer to use the ones out in the fresh air rather than those tucked away in little rooms!!!
David
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i did have to do several double takes on that photo!
my first thought was 'shouldnt one be doing that inside?'
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The amenity blocks on sites as the staff and members will advise , are very clean ,when the staff have finished, It is the way some members who have no thought for others, that will , as always , be a problem ,and once sites are opened up again that will not change,(as noted with the way some have been flouting the lockdown)
Some will say the blocks will have to be cleaned more often? but then what happens to the other work on sites?
Other will try to say have cleaners as on some other places , but they are normally multi type accommodation of sites, with other places to also be cleaned,
It is going to be a very different way of useing our LVs for some time
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I don't think it is an obsession. We should rightly be concerned about airborne transmission but there seems to be a growing body of evidence that the virus spreads by being on surfaces. We are being told to wash our hands regularly not because someone has sneezed on us but because the droplets have settled on surfaces or as the result of poor hygiene which I won't be too graphic about!!! Very early on we were being told that the virus could survive on a hard surface for up to 72 hours. That is probably at the maximum of survival but for someone to pick it up it only needs to be on a surface in a busy place for a matter of hours. It would seem to me that if toilet blocks were reopened at the same time as sites there would have to be a much more robust cleaning regime which could cause issues for the Club. What about overnight use, do you close overnight? Perhaps there are other measure that could be taken, for example making sure both outer and inner doors of the block are pinned open to reduce the need to touch surfaces?
David
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I would say the danger with facility blocks could lie with the door handles, flush handles or buttons, tap handles, shower controls, hair driers, and all hard surfaces. I would imagine it would be hard to sanitise all these surfaces after every use.
Outside, it would be much easier to sanitise all the tap handles and bits of hose, and all the bin handles, as there are a limited number
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Brue, only you can know the answer to that one.
I must say ive seen some folks dressed in 'bio hazard kit' at the CCEP well before the CV outbreak...and armed with spray, wipes, gloves just to go to the loo....
obviously, this is all a personal viewpoint but im a bit more relaxed about it than being at that level...
..but, agreed, during C-19 it is surely a good thing to be a bit more careful?
however, i cant help wondering that being relentlessly 'germ averse' hasn't helped out the immune systems of some...
I spent more than half my life in mud, blood, bone, crap (cow/sheep to keep the grass down!) and other folks' bath water!....facilities werent Premier League in those days.
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Hot showers create steam, steam is water vapour turning to gas, an aerosol is a mixture of liquid and gas. Coughing in an environment of steam makes it quite possible for those droplets to wander at random and settling on surfaces in its cooling phase, would I like to be in the next cubicle or even the amenity block ...... no I don't think so.
It should be the last thing to open on a site.
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With hot steamy showers creating vapour in the air if someone coughs or sneezes then the atmosphere will surely make the transmission more a risk let alone all the door handles, taps, basins, hot air dryers etc. Best to keep them shut and make people use their own facilities, if they are not able to or do not want to then fine let them stay home.
As for CCEP points we use bio washing liquid so if that kills bacteria in my washing then it should do the same with my waste, we would have 2m distance in the queue for service points and make sure you wipe taps etc with anti bacterial wipes before and after each use, simples.
One thing for certain though we must not be scared to do anything and try to get back as soon as it is safe before we all go mad or the country bankrupt
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David, AFAIK, the only toilet additives that kill ALL known germs still contain Formaldehyde which isnt allowed?
i think others will know the answer...
i agree, Lidl/Aldi Bio pods are a popular choice these days, but they make no germ killing claims....
but it does make the cassette clean
ive got a bottle of AquaKem blue, but its awful stuff....dont dare get it anywhere unless ypu like the colour...and a pain to use compared to small, clean sachets.
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