When the lockdown ends
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I am highly sceptical of all the figures out there, including those of the UK. I wouldn’t trust our Government much more than most others to be honest. Possibly more than Trump, the Brazilian fool and China, but that sets the bar at toe level. I see the Government’s main health advisor has resigned yesterday, think he’s the third public figure with deeply flawed judgement at the moment. I am not expecting any inquiry into the Governments handling of this to be truthful, open and honest, because that is no longer how our Government channels work, and haven’t for a very long time. There’s still all the Brexit negotiations to play out yet as well.☹️
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whether the source is wholly accurate or not might be up for discussion, however, referencing the same set of reporting has to give a better chance of trend detecting than constantly changing tack, hence why so many use JHU as a constant source.
i do like a good conspiracy post, though...
"Mother, should I trust the government?" (R Waters)
however, I wont be getting in a tiz about it.....a relaxing beer in the sun seems a better idea
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Indeed. With 649 deaths and another 6000+ new cases, it doesn't look like a good time to relax anything.
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Let's get one thing straight the government has heeded the scientific body of the UK, if there's any pointing of the finger it's at their end. The government is wholly responsible for delivering their recommendations which they must be accountable for, not for how and when to implement their advice. At first the scientific body first suggested an herd way out of the crisis a bit like Sweden that's why we held off lockdown longer than most, who gave that advise we will find out after this is all over
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The problem with the scientific body who had their meetings, iti s understood that the reports about that Boris had his key Downing street advisor also at those meetings , and his reported way of workisng, , does make one wonder who eventually made the decisions
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On the 17th March I heard a radio interview reporting a meeting of the HMG advisors.
The interviewee was asked had the UK made a mistake not implementing a 'lock down' as others were doing.
His answer was that once you moved into that stage you were stuck there till a vaccine was found and this led to disbelief on the part of the interviewer.
That disbelief now seems to be well and truly realised as the country seems to be unable to continue as it is currently.
Some are concerned about their health, some about their jobs and others just want some normality.
On that note I had a discussion with a GP yesterday in regard to my mother in law who is 94 and is not coping well with the situation.
She was hospitalised overnight on Easter Monday, was tested for the virus and was negative, and is now having to visit the doctors for blood tests etc in relation to her condition.
His view was that unless family are displaying symptoms visiting her, and observing distancing, was OK.
He commented that we are likely going to be stuck with the virus till at lest Christmas and the current behaviours he was seeing, where elderly, lonely and sad people are effectively abandoned, are unsustainable.
He agreed that it was great that the public had responded so well to the advice but that we needed to assess the impact on individuals and our own circumstances
I now face trying to convince the family, that we need to have more controlled contact, when they are frightened that they may be the one to transmit the virus to her yet are more than happy that we put support in place that will mean non family visiting her.
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You can only do your best in those sort of circumstances and you'll probably find some of the family won't want to join in. Hope your mum in law is near enough for you to see her easily in these circumstances, my best wishes to you as I'm sure your thoughts are in the right place.
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AlanandJean
I am sure at the beginning there was a view in Government and their medical advisors that the best way to overcome the virus was herd immunity. In a way that is probably correct if you ignore certain other serious implications. The trouble was that using that hypothesis, as has been proved, you get a high death rate in various segments of the population be that older people or those from BAME communities. Both unacceptable and costly politically so that is where we are now. The truth is, beyond the obvious close contact with an infected person, that we don't know much about how else it spreads. We probably all obsess about hygiene procedures, which is no bad thing in itself as it could save us from all sorts of things! It could be that the virus just runs its course and joins a long list of other such viruses that appear and disappear but the fear is that it is here to stay until it can be defeated by vaccination. So whilst all that uncertainty is calmed we will probably have to continue being very cautious be that mundane things like shopping but probably more distressing is keeping our distance from loved ones who don't live with us. One example will be Christmas which is a tradition time for families to come together, as yet we have no idea what Christmas 2020 will hold on that score.
David
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Hi Brue, the issue re family is that they feel they cannot visit due to the guidance.
We all live quite close and we are getting shopping etc but its the lack of contact that is the issue for her.
We have tried sitting in the garden but her hearing is not great and she quickly gets uncomfortable sitting on a kitchen chair so she can talk to us.
Things have moved on yesterday, and its looking like we will be able to get some support, but I feel strongly that we, as a family, need to do our bit.
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"probably more distressing is keeping our distance from loved ones who don't live with us."
Hi David, following the advice from the doctor I contacted one of the community nurses, she is the practice frailty nurse for three practices, in regard to the issues.
The call was extremely helpful and informative and , fingers crossed, things will move forward now.
One of the things we discussed was that of contact and she echoed the doctors view that, so long as distancing is observed, visiting Mum in her home was the right thing to do.
I told her that on Wednesday, when I had taken Mum to the doctors, when we got back made a cuppa and sat with her, she on one side of the room me on the other, so we could chat about her appointment and new medication.
She made several supportive comments including that controlled contact would not be something that 'health' would criticise.
One of her sons has a heart condition and another is back at work so these things will affect their contact but for us, keeping contact with others to an absolute minimum and when we do observing distancing, visiting her is the right thing to do if she is not to deteriorate.
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I thought it very funny to see Dominic Cummins running away from no.10, struggling to put his back pack on, after it was announced that Boris had Cov19. Havnt seen any photos of him since ? perhaps he is still running or hiding in his Coal Shed ?
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We seem to be fortunate in our set of circumstances at the moment. We realised what was going to happen back early March while we were actually away together with Mum. We normally share looking after her, (physically great, but dementia means that she cannot be left alone for long as she forgets to do things like take meds, feed herself, not to climb on chairs, on garden rockery😱) My sister volunteered to do the lockdown with her, moved in, they are living together at the moment, my contact is as supplies provider, errand runner, very occasional visitor at a distance. I never go into the house, just outside. Touch wood, it’s working well for us. Mum is thriving, really got her head round things, enjoying having a routine, baking, bit of safe gardening, the weekly clap, using social media etc........ She doesn’t need the physical care, just the memory jogs and vitally, the company. It’s a set of circumstances made possible by my sister’s amazing generosity, but she was adamant that keeping Mum safe was her number one priority, and keeping other contact minimal was best way as much as we could. Others are not as fortunate as being able to go down this route, but it has taken a lot of the stress and anxiety away for all of us. Even at 91 Mum wasn’t considered for the shielding group. It’s been very much do things yourself here. Decide on priorities, who is doing what, get on with making it work. I miss the three times a week full day contact and trips out with her, but her safety comes first. My current dream is a nice cottage holiday for us all again. Going to be a while.......🙂
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Anyway back on topic. The only updates on the club and future plans are in "what's on" latest news with a letter from Nick Lomas which states the leisure industry has to work together and get a consistent plan going (or words to that effect.) Much like industries have had to submit plans to find a way forward to ease the crisis.
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I think it was yesterday?, there was a bit on our local tv news,in which they were interviewing,the owners of a couple of ,static caravan parks, on the coast
They both were hoping that if the lock down is relaxed enough they may be able to open later this year
,As they both said that the way the sites are laid out already meet the social distancing criteria, but they are not expecting to be able to open any of their facilities,this year but possibly next year
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I don't think Dominic Cummins had Covid did he?
I did wonder if it was Cummins who advised Boris to say what he said in PMQs on Wednesday? I mean, by all means say that you are going to make an announcement about the future - not before time IMHO, though it might be more appropriate to announce it to Parliament before a TV broadcast - but to hint, just days before a hot sunny bank holiday weekend that some restrictions might be eased from Monday is surely inviting trouble? For an undoubtedly very intelligent bloke, Boris doesn't have a number of "foot in the mouth" moments!
Edit - ignore first sentence, just checked and yes, he did!
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Probably the both the Scottish and Welsh heads of devolved administrations ar putting a marker down to discourage the UK PM from being too liberal in any easing of the lockdown? Or maybe they just don't work on Sundays
David
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I'm guessing it's a bit of political muscle flexing on both their parts. And probably a result of the near hysteria in the press on Thursday.
To be honest, I don't think there was ever going to be a major change in this 3 week period (covering the late May BH) but Boris' hint on Wednesday certainly did nothing to calm expectations.
I hear today that theye are now intending that everyone entering the country from overseas will have to quarantine for 14 days, but from the end of the month - why then, I wonder?
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Think that both Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish Nationalists) and Mark Drakeford(Labour) want to stamp their 'we are different' brand on their actions, when in fact what their populations would like to see is a bit of 'Unity of purpose' at least until this is over.
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I live in a small village and from what i have seen, the majority of people who live here have stuck to the social distancing guidelines. Yesterday a lot of people were celebrating VE day on their front gardens. I noticed that there was a lot of crossing over of the road and some very non social distancing. I also had to collect some medication from a vets in the nearby town. From what I could see, social distancing and unnecessary journeys had all but virtually been abandoned! I think that people in general are taking it upon themselves to come out of lockdown. I personally will continue to carry on as I have for the forseeable future. I have booked a week at The Sandringham site from 1st July and await developments. I'm sure that some sort of arrangements can be made by the club. However, I hope that all the facilities will be open as £29 a night is a lot of money for a piece of hardstanding.
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When I say, a piece of hardstanding I of course include water, ehu etc. I have noticed the high increase in site fees and unfortunately can't justify the expense of only booking CAMC sites. I will be looking at a lot more CL's and other sites. I hope the CAMC don't go down the downward spiral of, less members, less bookings, raise fees.
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