Coronavirus: Stay or go

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  • Unknown
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    edited March 2020 #812
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  • DaveJ99
    DaveJ99 Forum Participant Posts: 51
    edited March 2020 #813

    FYI. Extract. [Bold emphasis mine]

    https://www.facebook.com/glencoemountainrescueteam/

    ".... IF you are uninjured, lost, benighted, you will asked to consider waiting until morning, and/or better visibility to extricate yourself.

    "IF you are “walking wounded” you will be asked to consider extricating yourself from the mountain.

    "IF you are seriously injured, and/or can not physically get yourself off the hill, we will attend. ........

    "Helicopter support will only be requested if a time critical injury is sustained ie head injury, femur, and pelvis injuries etc.

    "This is contradictory to everything we believe in, but I must look after team members in order for them to help casualties who really need it. ........

    "I would ask all visitors to the mountains to think very carefully about their actions, and to observe government guidelines on where to exercise in the outdoors, i.e. IN YOUR LOCAL AREA!

    "The NHS facilities in the Highlands may not have capacity to admit you if they are otherwise occupied. ..........."

    Andy Nelson. Leader, Glencoe MR

     

  • CooperN
    CooperN Forum Participant Posts: 67
    edited March 2020 #814

    The Government are currently advocating you exercise outdoors in your local area, run, cycle, walk... whatever suits. All with consideration for social distancing.

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  • CooperN
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    edited March 2020 #816

    Thank you for that find DaveJ, whilst I appreciate the sentiment and feelings, it is disappointing that an MR leader is making these veiled threats

    I understand how frustrated he might be, but I know for sure there are others MRTs that would never post anything like this

    Can you imagine if someone called in lost and not injured, told to sit it out until the morning then succumbed to hypothermia. Andy from Glencoe would not get over it very easily.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #817

    The advice at the present time (for the vast majority of folk) is that you can go for walks or cycle from home David, no one is saying drive to the lakes but if you live there in Keswick or Braithwaite then that is different, providing you walk alone and/or 2 meters from others. 

  • CooperN
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    edited March 2020 #818

    I would probably be at greater risk running on my local roads than walking up the side of Blencathra

  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #819

    It seems you know more than the Keswick MRT tea thensmile

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #821

    or along here, ahh happy days

  • Tammygirl
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    edited March 2020 #822

    Heard it at lunchtime on the BBC Scottish news, think it was Glencoe but can't be sure as I was in the kitchen, tv in the lounge. 

    OH has just looked on the internet and its there on the BBC news/Scotland it is the highlands and islands tab. Would appear Glencoe, Lochaber, Skye etc.

  • CooperN
    CooperN Forum Participant Posts: 67
    edited March 2020 #823

    Yes, thank you. DaveJ has posted quotes. Apologies for doubting you, I really did find it hard to believe 

     

    Stay safe

  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #824

    Right, slightly different slant from TG, you will be asked to consider not Those lost on the mountains will be told as she stated.

    Actually those questions are what I expect to be asked even in normal times

    But once again in your local area.

  • CooperN
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    edited March 2020 #825

    Don’t, I’m really missing The Lakes cry

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #827

    Same here, we had a cottage booked for over Easter with a few good walks planned, all a dream now.

  • CooperN
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    edited March 2020 #828

    Yes to a point Cornersteady, if lost though most MRTs will assist and not ask you to sit it out unless you have experience and a bivvy/food/stove

  • young thomas
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    edited March 2020 #829

    4790 new cases and 602 new deaths in Italy today

    a 14% and 8% reduction respectively over yesterday....so, a two day reduction....

    stiff measures biting we hope....

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #830

    It's understandable, but very sad.

    Re my earlier comment about the foot & mouth crisis, does anyone remember what restrictions were imposed at the time? Were the fells put out of bounds?

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2020 #831

    Llanberis Mountain rescue had to go to the aid of four blokes on Saturday who had driven up from Surrey to walk. Just unbelievable. Dont know the exact milage but would surely not be considered an "essential j ourney">It seems its not a minority that are idiots but plenty.

  • DaveJ99
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    edited March 2020 #833

    I take from all this the simple message. Do not put yourself in danger at the present time. Do not place Mountain Rescue in the position of having to make choices. Just follow the advice and stay safe.

  • CooperN
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    edited March 2020 #834

    I saw the photo of the usual queue up to the Snowdon summit last night. The problem is, in circumstances such as we have now common sense often takes a back seat and the wider implications of heading for rural areas to ‘get away from it all’ are not considered.
    I would imagine the thought of spreading the virus and potentially putting extra pressure on rural NHS never crossed the minds of many city dwellers, until it was spelt out ever so clearly.

    Such effects didn’t cross the minds of management of this Club or the other big one either, otherwise they wouldn’t have tried to encourage site use prior to yesterday.

    I genuinely think for many, it’s been one hell of a learning curve. That said, anyone continuing in the same way and trying to escape from urban life to the country or beach after today’s news coverage, really out to be hung out to dry.

  • CooperN
    CooperN Forum Participant Posts: 67
    edited March 2020 #835

    I guess you’re right, ok maybe a stroll along the railway to look at the bridge being fixed (is it being fixed yet?)

  • CooperN
    CooperN Forum Participant Posts: 67
    edited March 2020 #836

    BMC are now posting on Facebook and being shared by MRTs, politely asking for hillwalking and climbing to be put on hold.

    Fair enough and typically English in politeness wink laughing

  • CooperN
    CooperN Forum Participant Posts: 67
    edited March 2020 #837

    Hopefully...

    Take at look at the UK figures, don’t want to jump the gun but is the peak flattening? Certainly not following quite the same path as has done previously, with Italy at this point 14 days ago

  • Tammygirl
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    edited March 2020 #838

    Being polite is good but the time has come when being blunt is what's required. 

    Don't go out if not needed, don't travel if not needed. 

    How hard is that to understand.

     

     

  • martynemail
    martynemail Forum Participant Posts: 2
    edited March 2020 #839

    I fully agree, we live in Spain and for the last 3 months we have been touring Europe, finally driving from Sky in Scotland last week, we have relied on CL and club sites to stay.

    Thismorning we were turfed off our CL in Hopton, no other sites will accept us, i called the club and was promised a call back for advice, but to my disgust no call back. 

    So currently in Asda car park at a complete loss on what to do, we have a very elderly mother who we dont want to put at risk. 

    I feel the club has completely let us down at a time when we really needed it. 

    The CL owner wanted to let us stay, but his hands are tied, we have a spanish motorhome and registration. Now we are completely at risk. 

  • brue
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    edited March 2020 #840

    Well said TG. 

    Everyone to stay at home!

  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2020 #841

    But as someone wider than me once posted:

    Its not pedantic to correct misinformation and there is no need to be unpleasant when you are found doing it

    TG it is not nit picking to point out the vast difference between what you posted as being actually said, you wrote: 

    Those lost on the mountains will be told to wait where they are until the next day

    and what the reality really was:

    IF you are uninjured, lost, benighted, you will asked to consider waiting until morning, and/or better visibility to extricate yourself

    A totally different meaning and not nit picking in the slightest I would say or are you say those two statements are the same and have the same meaning?

    Please respect CT guidelines regarding posts?

    Also I notice other posters pointed out your error yet you only picked on mine? undecided